Stupid Revolver Question from a Semi- Auto Guy

Farmalljon

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Brace yourselves for what I know is a stupid question.......Can you safely shoot .38 specials out of ANY .357 revolver, or does the gun have to be specifically designed to do that? Comnmon sense says that if a cylinder will accept .357 rounds, that .38 specials will certainly fit...but is it safe to fire them in ALL .357s?
 
I get this question a lot, since people assume that .357 and .38 are two separate "calibers." The .38 Special bullet is actually .357" in diameter. The ".38" moniker comes from antiquated black powder nomenclature.

Anyhow, the .357 Magnum is the same bullet, just placed in a slightly longer case, and with more propellant. Same with .44 Special/Magnum (and Russian!).
 
OK to shoot 38 out of 357. I almost only shoot 38 out of my .357 s&W 686.
Avoid shooting .357 after shooting 38s without cleaning. Otherwise, buildup from 38s in cylinder will cause .357 empties to get stuck in the cylinder.
 
Farmalljon,

Not only can a .357 Shoot .38 Specials but they can shoot .38 Long Colt, .38 Short Colt, .38 Supers (well some brands of .38 Supers will chamber and fire fine due to their simi-rimmed design, and I've done it in a .357 before.)

I also understand .380 ACP can sometimes chamber and fire in a .357.

Deaf
 
Revolver cartridge interchange chart

.22 Short - .22 Long - .22 Long Rifle

.32 S&W - .32 S&W Long - .32 H&R Magnum - .327 Federal Magnum

.38 Short Colt* - .38 Long Colt - .38 Special - .357 Magnum

.44 Russian - .44 Special - .44 Magnum

*Inside lubricated bullet only.
 
One thing that's always confused me is a black powder revolver shoots a .375 bullet is called a 36 cal. and a revolver shooting a .357 is called a 38, should'nt it be the other way around?
 
As others have said, it's a perfectly safe an acceptable practice to fire .38 Special, .38 Special +P, and even .38 Special +P+ ammunition in a .357 Magnum revolver.

.38 Special is the parent cartridge for the .357 Magnum and the Magnum itself was an outgrowth of high-pressure .38 Special loadings in the 1920's and 1930's. Originally, S&W produced two revolvers on their large N-Frame for a cartridge they dubbed the .38-44. The .38-44 was dimensionally identical to a standard .38 Special cartridge, but loaded to much higher pressure and velocity (it would be considered a +P+ loading today). While the large S&W N-Frames and other comparatively strong revolvers like the Colt Single Action Army and New Service could handle .38-44 ammunition just fine, the same ammo would also chamber and fire in older, smaller, weaker guns like S&W K-Frames and Colt D-Frames that couldn't take the pressure (K-Frames were later chambered in .357 Magnum, but that was in the 1950's when different heat-treating was available).

Because of this, S&W and Winchester got together and, with input from both Phil Sharpe and Elmer Kieth, came up with the .357 Magnum cartridge. The case was lengthened to prevent it from chambering in .38 Special revolvers and it was found that the extra case capacity allowed the cartridge to be loaded to levels beyond what even the .38-44 cartridge could achive. Original advertised ballistics were a 158gr bullet at 1500fps from an 8 3/4" barrel and, from chronograph tests I've seen on vintage ammo, those estimates weren't all that far off. As I recall, the .357 Magnum held the title of "most powerful handgun in the world" until the .44 Magnum debuted in 1956.

SAAMI maximum pressure for the .357 Magnum cartridge is currently 35,000 psi (this has been reduced somewhat as I've seen data to indicate that the cartridge was originally loaded to over 40,000 psi) while .38 Special max is 17,000 psi and .38 Special +P max is 20,000 psi. Because the outside diameters of the case and bullet diameter of both .357 Magnum and .38 Special are identical and because, unlike semi-auto which headspace on the case mouth, most if not all .357 Magnum revolver headspace on the cartridge rim there is absolutely no safety issue with shooting .38 Special ammo in a .357 Magnum revolver.

The only issue which is commonly encountered as a result of the practice is that the shorter .38 Special cases will leave a ring of fouling farther back in the chambers than .357 Magnum cases will. If .357 Magnum ammunition is fired in a revolver which has previously been fired with large amounts of .38 Special ammo and has not been thoroughly cleaned, chambering and extraction of the longer magnum cases will likely be sticky. If the problem is allowed to go on, the rings of foulind could possibly cause pressure spikes with magnum ammo, but that is only in extreme cases. The whole issue can be avoided by simply cleaning the revolver thoroughly after using .38 Special ammunition.
 
Grant - in reference to black powder pistols (C & B) and a 36 caliber (Navy caliber) utilizing a .375 ball. The originals barrels were reamed to 36 caliber AND THEN rifled - thus the diameter formed by the bottom of the grooves are larger than 36. The same goes for the 44 caliber pistol (Army caliber).
 
Grant - in reference to black powder pistols (C & B) and a 36 caliber (Navy caliber) utilizing a .375 ball. The originals barrels were reamed to 36 caliber AND THEN rifled - thus the diameter formed by the bottom of the grooves are larger than 36. The same goes for the 44 caliber pistol (Army caliber).

You also have some confusion resulting from the changeover from heel-based bullets to inside-lubricated bullets. For example, .44 revolvers actually use a .429-.430 bullet, yet they are still called 44 caliber. The reason is that originally, the .44 American cartridge used a .434 bullet which is closer to a true 44 caliber bullet, but the bullet was heel-based and closer to the same diameter as the outside of the cartridge case, much like a .22 Long Rifle which is one of the few surviving cartridge to use heel-based bullets. When the changeover was made to inside-lubricated bullets with the .44 Russian cartridge, the diameter of the case was left the same but that of the bullet was reduced to the same as the inside diameter of the case.
 
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The only way I know to fire .380 ACP in a .38 revolver (barring a moon-clip setup) is to hold the revolver pointing up, not a safe condition. Firing .38 ACP or .38 Super (same case) is iffy; that case won't fit in many .38 Special/.357 revolvers.

CAUTION. .38 Super is semi-rimmed; it will fit and fire in many old time revolvers chambered for the .38 S&W; it will sometimes blow them apart as well. .38 S&W pressure = 14,500 psi....38 Super pressure = 36,500 psi. Definitely ungood for a poor old cast iron revolver.

Jim
 
CAUTION. .38 Super is semi-rimmed; it will fit and fire in many old time revolvers chambered for the .38 S&W; it will sometimes blow them apart as well. .38 S&W pressure = 14,500 psi....38 Super pressure = 36,500 psi. Definitely ungood for a poor old cast iron revolver.

The use of .38 Super ammunition is inadviseable even in .357 Magnum revolvers not only because of its semi-rimmed case, but because it's also higher pressure. While .38 Super has, as you already noted, a max SAAMI pressure of 36,500psi, .357 Magnum maxes out at 35,000 psi (it is still able to meet or exceed .38 Super ballistics because of its greater case capacity).
 
Here is some other guns that can chamber multiple ctgs

460 S&W magnum - 454 casull - 45 colt - 45 S&W scholfield

41 magnum - 41 special

357 max - 357 mag - 38 special - 38 long colt

And don't forget the super mags, 414 super mag can handle 41 mag and 445 super mag can do 44 magnum.

There are many different semi rim or rimless with full rim compatibilities but I won't get into that here.
 
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