Stuck shells???

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deepvalley

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A friend of mine has a Nagant from Russia and it is old! He recently shot it for the first time and after about three or four shots the shell will not eject from the chamber! It has also locked down the bolt so... My question is can I use a cleaning rod or something to reach down the barrel and put pressure on the cartridge while also trying to use the bolt/ extractor and hopefully free the stuck case? Without risking damage to the gun. And What could have caused the "lock up" in the first place? Also how can I determine the cause without taking my buddies gun to the $$$gunsmith$$$? I have already seen his choice of ammo and have advised him not to use that cheap ammo again!:confused: Any advise would help as the guy is only 18 and knows nothing of guns, thats why he brought it to me.
 
There's the old Mosin-Nagant Russian service rifle, but I'm not familiar with a Nagant shotgun. Were some of the many surplus rifles bored out to accommodate .410 shot shells?
 
I don't know I cant open the bolt to see but he says it is! And the barrel is oversized at least for a 7.62.:confused: Maybe if I could open it I can give an update. Any advise??
 
Stuck shell

Let's see if I have this right. Using old ammo in an old rifle and now you have a fired case stuck in the chamber and you cannot open the bolt. If this is the problem than nothing you can push down the bore will help open that bolt.It's not humanly possible to open the bolt that way.
What you have is a stuck case from either a rusty dirty chamber or from dirty corroded ammo. Stand the rifle on it's muzzle and pour Hoppes around the bolt where it goes in to the reciever, Take a wood or plastic screwdriver handle and tap on the area. tapping helps the Hoppes seep in.Turn the gun up side down and pour a shot of Hoppes down the bore and let it sit over night.
Nerxt day sit on a chair,put the gun across your kness with the sights down and with a plastic hammer start tapping on the bolt handle like you are a junior Tommy Lee. It should come open.
Stay away from cheap ammo,you get what you pay for.
 
Mosin-Nagant to the gunsmith? You're going to pay more than the gun is worth.

I second the "beat bolt open" option. Use a wooden, nylon, or rubber mallet.
 
Penetrant type oil

Use Kroil, Liquid Wrench, or some type of penetrant. These types of products "creep" into tight spots well.
Get some brass rod (amazon), it is handy for gun work and drive the round out after getting the bolt open.
There is lots of 7.62 x 54R on the market, quality good except for being corrosive. Make a bulk buy with a buddy.
Good luck, don't use a wood dowel, it will just make a big mess. I know from experience.


Lee Jones(Celtgun)

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I see nothing about a .410 shotgun, so I assume Zippy was just trying to be sarcastic about use of the term "shell" for a rifle cartridge case.

Once the rifle is open and the case removed, I recommend a good cleaning for the rifle and also make sure the user has the right ammunition, 7.62x54R, a rimmed case about the size of a .30-30 round. Some folks have tried to fire 7.62x39 in that rifle and strange things happen if one can get the short cartridge to fire.

Jim
 
Ive had this happen to my Nagant before. there tough rifles, use some solvent and don't be afraid to give it some taps with a mallet. when i restored mine i had to do alot of work on the bolt. after you get it apart disassemble and thoroughly clean and lubricate the bolt, the chamber was bad on mine too. i just cleaned the hell out of it :p. And remember, if you shoot with corrosive ammo a nice spray of Windex inside and out when you clean it will neutralize its corrosive properties.
 
Thanks everyone! I beat the bolt open and the gun was absolutly filthy! He did use the right ammo but he did not clean the chamber or the bore properly before firing the gun as I found residue of packing grease in the crevises of the reciever:(,and the bolt:confused:, and in the chamber!:eek:!!!!!!!!! I am currently in the process of disassembly and am finding more and more packing grease at every new peice removed. I will keep you updated as things progress. Once again thanks for your advise.

KEEP EM' SMOKIN'!!!
 
This is a common issue with the MN's. Search online- what other have done is to clean the chamber with solvent and and a shotgun bore brush chucked in a drill.
 
Whatever you do, don't spend any money on it beyond some penetrating oil. These rifles sell her by the pallet load for $99 each. Chances are that this rifle, will reveal many more problems once the bolt is opened and the case removed. Check bore condition for major rust and pitting. Check the bolt and chamber for same. If it's bad, a new rifle can be had for the price of 5-6 boxes of ammo.
 
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