Stuck Cases and Liquid Wrench

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Bucksnort1

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Someone has probably thought of this but I will pass this along anyway. I've not tried this on a regular resizing die but I'm guessing it would work.

I was using the Innovative collet resizing die for removing a stuck 300 Weatherby case. I had the die installed in my portable loading bench which has my original RCBS Partner Press attached to it. I wasn't able to exert enough leverage to remove the stuck case so I unscrewed the die, which is installed from the underside of the press, removed the die and shell holder then re-installed it in my RCBS Rock Chucker. Before attempting to remove the case, I squirted some Liquid Wrench between the die, the collet and the case. It came out very easily. In fact, I could probably have removed it using the Partner Press.
 
1) I do not use my Innovative Technologies die.
That seems to work for medium level loads in belted magnum brass to be re used in more than one rifle.
I got lifetime supplies of 7mmRM and 300WM, and shoot it too hot to re use in Mausers, Rem700s, and Ruger #1. I throw the brass away after one shot of hunting loads. But I do keep pressure down to 65kpsi in the Mosin Nagant.
2) I do not use my Liquid Wrench. For penetration I use Kroil. For high pressure I use moly based lubes, like Moly D. For reloading I like Imperial die wax.
3) I do not use my RCBS Rockchucker press. It was my first press 16 years ago, is it still mounted to the bench, but collects dust.
4) I do not own 300 Weatherby. It is 3.562" OAL, and I like the 300WM at 3.34"
5) I do like the RCBS partner presses....a lot.
 
Clark, some of us were talking and wondering when you would tell us how you really feel. I got a kick out of your response. Thanks.

I use Imperial wax when using the Innovative die but should probably use it for all my lubricating needs.

My first press is the Partner Press. It served me for a long time then I was given the Rock Chucker and about two years ago, I bought the Lee Classic Turret press. I use the Lee most often and the Rock Chucker for some tasks and the Partner Press in my portable press holder which I can move from room to room.

I will try the Kroil. Is this product available at hardware stores or Home Depot or others?

But, back to my original point. I feel the penetrating oil can be used to possibly free a stuck case in most sizing dies. The decapping pin would have to be removed then a few drops of penetrant could be added through the top hole.
 
Pogybait,
When i was a 10 year old, my father put liquid wrench on every rusty nut. It never worked.

When I was ~ 12 years old I read an article comparing the power of 300 Weatherby Magnum to the 30-06. They shot 5 gallon cans of water. The difference in results was all out of proportion to velocity.

40 years later I had dozens of surplus Mausers I was pulling the barrels. I would bring someone into the shop and show how stuck the barrel was. Then I would add a few drops of Kroil and wait a minute. Then the barrel would come off easily. Everyone that saw this bought a can of Kroil.

Had I learned which penetrant works best? Or had I learned how to run a rigged game by working both sides of a threshold?
 
Clark,

It depends.;)


Poggybait,

Kroil was being sold at Advanced Auto Parts the last time I was in, but I don't see it in their online catalog. You can get it from Brownells and Sinclair or even Amazon, but they all seem to charge more than when you buy direct from the factory.
 
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Thanks for the possible buying locations.

Clark, your dad couldn't get Liquid Wrench to work like I can't get Super Glue to work.
 
I found Kroil on Amazon for about $15 plus shipping and on eBay for the same price without shipping, from one seller. Looks like a pint size can.
 
Kroil stinks.
I am now using Darrell Hollands Witches brew in bore cleaning, and it stinks like Kroil.

It takes careful timing, if you shop is attached to the house, to keep the wife from smelling this activity.
 
Liquid wrench, Kroil and variations thereof are no comparison to "100% pure natural wintergreen oil" available at you local tree hugger health food store, and NOT the stuff from Walgreens.

Try it.
 
I have no idea what is in Liquid Wrench, but it seems to evaporate instead of penetrating. The stuff is worthless. When I was a kid, I found that good old AT fluid applied once a day for about a week to really badly (Nuts and bolts in cast)rusted car parts worked way better.
 
I was using the Innovative collet resizing die for removing a stuck 300 Weatherby case.
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Pogybait, I have no clue what die you have the case stuck in. At first I thought you stuck a case in Larry's collet die, then I tried to imagine how anyone could install a collet die directly opposed to a die with a stuck case and then:eek: ? I figured it out.

I have a Padner RCBS press, I do not use it, I only talk about owning one. My pander press has very low mileage. When removing stuck cases I use a puller that does not rotate. Meaning I pull the puller straight out. I also use a drill/tap/puller that is larger than 1/4 inch. The reason? I find it most difficult to remove the primer punch/expander ball through a .250" hole.

Then there are exceptions 'like': Cases with small case heads.

I use Marvel Mystery oil and Reslone with ATF F and D. I can not get real excited about chemicals, one chemical reloaders like is Hoppies #9. #9 reminds me of John Wayne toilet paper.

Then there were the chucks, I purchases three for $5.00 each. All three were 10". One was a Cushman, another was a W&S heavy 10. I was told all I had to do was soak the chucks. I explained there was a reason the chucks were affordable, did they listen? NOOO. After three years of soaking I got serious. I finished with same plan I had in the beginning, but giving all my resource people the benefit of a doubt, I soaked two pf the chucks.

The chucks came from Bridgeport, my people loaded equipment into 55 gallon barrels then stored the barrels outside, I was hopping there was a chance the chucks had been lubed.

F. Guffey
 
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Then there is Larry's collet die. There are three of us, between the 3 there are at least 7 lathes, all of the lathes have collets. Reducing the case body diameter ahead of the belt has never been the problem. The cause? Now that is a problem.

F. Guffey
 
F. Guffey
..I use Marvel Mystery oil..
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In a county of 1200 people, out in the dirt, drilling a hole in a trailer frame, the drill was getting dull and not cutting.

Some old guy in overalls suggested Marvel Mystery oil as a cutting oil.
I thought, "Yeah.... right..."
But it made that drill start cutting.
I bought some. I am waiting for the right moment to try it.

Wikipedia is still in the state of disbelief
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Mystery_Oil
 
Note Wikipedia's context. If something works well as a cutting oil, I'm not surprised there might be an issue with it as a lubricant in an engine under load. It's sort of like using kerosene instead of motor oil. Leave it idling in the engine for 15 minutes and it cleans out all manner of crud. Just don't try driving with it in place of oil if you care about the engine.

Years ago a friend and I used to pick up machine tool repair work when engineering work was slow. He reported visiting a shop south of town where they were having their CNC lathes rebuilt and refigured every 6 months. They proudly demonstrated how they cleaned and lubed the ways fresh every morning with WD-40. "Loosens them right up." He talked them into trying a switch to Mobil Vactra way oil. Two years later they still hadn't need another rebuild, and they no longer needed to "unstick" the machines in the mornings, either.
 
WD-40. It smells good. It burns well if you want to chase cockroaches in the barracks. I would coat something I wanted to store with WD-40. I seriously agree that it is NOT a lubricant. After a day or two it is more like a glue.
 
I had 3 poles out the back of the boat trolling. I caught ~ 25 salmon. Most were caught on the pole with the gear sprayed with WD-40.

I had heard it for years, but I would not have believed it, until I saw it.
 
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