strongest action on an economy 12 ga side by side double ???

I'm wanting to do a custom double rifle conversion on the old 577 Snider black powder rifle cartridge, & we have figured a good way to regulate the barrels, using a barrel liner & the stock 12 ga barrels... but even as a black powder cartridge, the Snider is almost double the pressure of a 12 ga, so I'm looking for suggestions for the strongest action available in a cheaper or commonly available gun...

exposed hammers would be a plus...

any suggestions ???
 
Yikes, Brent, those bad boys will knock the squeal out of the biggest pig.

Mag Wheel Man...
A point to ponder: It's forces that cause mechanical things to fail, not pressure per se. Pressure is just a way of keeping track of the numbers.

What you want to know is the force the black powder cartridge will apply to the SxS's action as compared to the force of a shot shell. Every engineering student can tell you the universal F = PA (Force = Pressure times Area). To get the force in pounds, multiply the pressure (in pounds per square inch) by the reaction area -- the bore area, for the sake of demonstration (in square inches).
Little pressure data is readily available for .577 Snider. So let's use a .577/450 Martini-Henry in an example:
Pressure = 25,400 psi (from reloading data). Area (Pi (r squared)) = 3.1416*(0.45/2)**2 = 0.16 sq in
F (.577/450 M-H) = 25,400*0.16 = 4,064 pounds.

For a typical 12-ga load:
Lets assume a pressure of 12,000 and an area of 3.1416*(0.729/2)**2 = 0.42 sq in
F (Typical 12-ga) = 12,000*0.42 = 5,040 pounds.​

With your proposed project, it seems the breech force is not a problem with any modern SxS. You need to be concerned about the strength of the barrel liners. The rifle cartridge operates at a higher pressure, but it's smaller cross section results in less breech force than the lower pressure shot shell. The "Military Load" for the .577 Snider is a 480 grain lead bullet delivered from the muzzle at 1,250 fps. Which is just a little less than a heavy target load of 493 grains of shot at the same velocity.
[SIZE=-2]Note: This example is based on assumed maximum pressures for demonstration purposes only, and should not be used as design criteria.[/SIZE]
 
thanks for the info... yes... my builder uses those formulas regularly in our discussions... ( that's why he'd do the conversion for me in the 1st place )... however, I'm still looking for the "strongest" action "brand or model" available in my price range... with double exposed hammers ;)... don't know where I'll end up power wise with my reloads...:D
 
You didn't mention your price range.
I'm not familiar with the exposed hammer marketplace, but I'm certain there are several folks out there who are.
It's hard to judge the strength of an action without actually testing it. The area of the locking piece and diameter of the hinge pin are good points to check. Is the lock in single, or double shear? All things being equal, the bigger the lock and pin, the stronger the action. But, all things aren't equal -- you can't tell the grade of steel by eye-ball. A smaller lock and pin with much higher yield steel might be the stronger action.
 
I guess I'm looking for a hunting grade rather than a fancy one... maybe $500.00

I saw Stoeger had doubles listed new at around $325.00 but they are not exposed hammers, but solid looking guns... if I could find a "good" old shotgun that would be fine, but also it seems everyone & there brother are building cowboy replica guns right now, so I just need to sort through what is available...
 
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