storing for HD...

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Nimitz87

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ok the only people that are in the house are myself and dog...so no kids to worry about.

the question is how to store it.... one in the chamber and saftey on?

or how ever many in the tube and cycle it saftey off....

and what said ammo ?

obviously its loaded w/ 00Buck but what about 2 00 bucks and 2 slugs....same on the side saddle.

im thinking about picking up the remington 870P 7 shot ext.... so it would actually be 6 in the tube and 1 in the mag...


so how about this first shot 00 buck...2nd slug in case its needed? but for HD i would think a slug wouldnt be needed not to metion over penteration... ( i have neighbors pretty close... 1/2 acre away)

thoughts and suggestions please?

Thanks
 
As for HD, a decent trap/skeet/bird load would suffice..you can load 00 buck/slugs in the side-saddle..Most people recognize the sound of a pump racking so that'll give you a pysch advantage..If you actually had to fire inside your house just aim about chest height on the door and let a bird load do the rest..if you don't hear all hell running out the front room, rack the slide, load a 00 buck and take the fight to'em.
 
from what i've gathered bird shot is insufficent...in the fact that its smaller then an air rifle's projectile...

leading to that its only effective to at most 5 yards...

where as 00BUck is much more effective and still wont fly for miles....and possibly injure/kill a innocent.

i guess i've solved it for my self.


6 in the tube 1 in the chamber saftey on 00buck all the way w/ a 6 shot saddle w/ 3 slugs and 3 00 buck...if i need anymore God help me....
 
The best storage method is the police "cruiser ready" way.

Loaded magazine, empty chamber, hammer dropped.
All that's necessary to use the gun, is to pump the handle.

WHAT you load it with depends entirely on you're living quarters.
If you live in apartment or in a neighborhood of close-packed houses, using slugs is NOT recommended, due to the danger to the neighbors.

Keep in mind that the the only walls that will stop most shotgun pellets, EVEN SMALL SHOT, are EXTERIOR walls made of brick or cinder block.

Typically a load of most any buckshot will shoot completely through the average house, much less a thin walled apartment.

While you might be legally OK in shooting a bad guy with a slug in a crowded neighborhood, remember that the neighbors, their lawyers and the County Prosecutor will likely have some things to say about it that you WON'T like hearing.

In other words, take thin walls and neighbors into account when choosing shot.

Several tests have indicated that probably the most all-around effective buckshot is the #1 buck.
It's balistically more effective than larger shot, and puts out more pellets.
 
Hmmm

I find it amazing that folks seem to think that a round of #6's wouldn't open you up but will kill a bird the size of a turkey at 30-40 yds. It kills them because it breaks their neck or enters the brain. Anytime you don't feel like a #6 will do major damage to you, stand in front of one. I have a buddy that almost lost his arm to birdshot when his brother accidentally shot him from 20 yds. The only thing that saved his arm was the fact that we kept the wound clean and the surgeon who sewed up his arm with only 2/3 of the muscle left and very little of the blood vessels, meaning he was lucky as all get out. If you have to fire a second shot, I would use the bird shot again. There isn't any need to take the chance of buckshot leaving the house and striking someone. I wouldn't think there would be a need to fire a shot much over 5 yds in a house anyway, considering the average room is usually smaller than 15 ft wide and the average hall is about the same.
 
I prefer 00, but would never hesitate to use a heavy load of birdshot. A magnum load of #4's will tear a hole through most anything at 10 yards.
 
I carry only 1oz slugs in my 870, six in the tube, and six on the sidesaddle. I carry a box of #00 in the trunk, just in case.

I would not trust my life to anything less than #4, preferably #00. Using Birdshot is a joke.
 
Mine's full tube empty chamber. First up is birdshot, then two 00's then slugs. Slugs and a couple extra 00's on the SS and buttcuff.

My understanding is that at typical inside the house ranges, birdshot will act like a slug cause it don't have time/range to open up. If one shot don't end it/ send em running, its time to get serious.
 
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I agree with Dfariswheel, and that is how I store my HD Scattergun Tech 870. But... the first two rounds up are AA #8 skeet loads, followed by Fed Tactical 00 Buck. Side saddle has slugs, butt cuff has more Fed buck.
I have tested the skeet rounds at room distances and in houses and I am satisfied that it represents the best compromise in terms of flexability, effectiveness, and mitigation of overpenetration for my situation.

For non HD situations, I agree and follow lillysdad's method, except that buck is carried in buttcuff

Just my opinion.
 
I have heard a lot of recommendations for #1 Buck or #4 Buck...still very deadly but won't easily penetrate the walls like 00 Buck.
 
Basically what Dfariswheel said, except I prefer 00 when in an urban/semi urban area and slugs anywhere else ;).

Keep in mind that there has been a lot of testing which has basically debunked the "birdshot won't overpenetrate" myth. It can, has, and will again. Rule number 4 must be kept in mind at all times.

Denny
 
Nimitz, . . . I have a Beretta autoloader. It is my "stuff is hitting the fan and the .45 ACP isn't big enough" weapon.

I simply pull the bolt back, drop in my # 4 shot shell, and push the button. She is then good to go: 3 ea # 4, 2 ea 00 buck, and 2 each rifled slugs.

They come out as fast as I can pull the trigger. The 870 may have some psych value with the slide going home, . . . but all I have to do is pretend my Beretta a Kodak camera: just point and shoot.

Don't let the naysayers to the birdshot sway you either. An ounce of 7 1/2's at room distance is just as lethal as any .45, .44, or .357. And if you shoot them in the face, . . . they are down, for the count, they are not getting back up.

FWIW, . . . that is one new tactic adopted by the LEO's since Columbine. Shoot em in the face and take em down, now.

May God bless,
Dwight
 
keep HD in mind

Home defense means in the home which means at close distance. We're not talking about in the street, in an alley two blocks long or out in the woods. At a range of 15 ft or so, most any bird shot will impact with as much energy as buck shot or slug. Don't believe me, try an experiment. Shoot a heavy target such as a 55 gallon drum and see for your self how it moves after being shot by bird shot, buck shot, and a slug. You won't be able to tell much difference at all and the holes will be about the same except for the slug which will be smaller. One more thing to think about, with more pellets of bird shot causing tissue damage, meaning bleeding and shock, it might just have an advantage when it comes to HD. Try shooting some ballistic gel before you question me on this. You can shoot any animal and if it doesn't go into shock fast enough, they can and will get up and move.
 
I keep mine

condition 3--Tube loaded, chanber empty....first three rounds are #4 birdshot, the rest(4) are 3" magnum 15 pellet 00 buck...I don't see the need for slugs, as if I've used up what's in the SG, I've also been working my way to a rifle, in case its a real warzone scenario (unlikely)....
 
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