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Similar thing for CA. Vendors don't want to ship because they don't want to deal with the extra trouble and paper work. Or they don't want to do it before they figure out the exact procedures. We have no choice but to find somebody else who are willing to. Some simply don't do it for "ideological reasons", if you know what I mean.
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You find an item that is 100% Maryland compliant. However, the store would refuse to ship it to Maryland, for not clear reasons. This is so weird. Anyone knows why?
While I can understand "ideological reasons" the most usual reason for refusing to ship even legal items to certain states is simply $.
Money in a few different ways, not counting the actual cost of shipping. What it often comes down to is that it costs money for a company to constantly monitor and update all the various crap laws different states have put in place. Some places have decided that, rather than spend their resources trying to keep up with which of their products is legal in which state, they are taking the loss and not shipping anything to certain states where they know at least some of their inventory is not allowed.
Another point of concern is that what is legal today, might not be by the time the item arrives in state, and even ONE mistake in compliance might put them in expensive legal jeopardy. One single court case, even if they win could cost them more than the profit they make from all sales in that state, or even more. Cheaper, and safer for the company to simply avoid the risk all together.
I've ran across a couple of suppliers that are refusing to ship ammo to Illinois. I've used them before, but now with the Illinois "Assault Weapons Ban" places are ceasing to do business with Illinois. As far as I know, there is a handful of Illinois cities that do not allow mail order ammo, but I'm not in one of those cities. Companies are erroring on the side of caution and not shipping to Illinois.
44caliberkid
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I thought the Illinois situation was because you need an Illinois FOID card to buy ammunition, so it can only be sent to an FFL.
It could also be the sheer hassle of it. I'd have to ask myself, is it 100% absolutely compliant? Have I read every wrinkle of Maryland's statutes? Is there something I missed?
If so, there's going to be a whole rigamarole in which I ship it to a dealer there, the dealer says there's a problem, then we have to arrange return shipment, and we have a really disgruntled customer.
I once had a situation in which we shipped a handgun to a shop there on a customer's behalf. There was some sort of snafu with the registration process on his end, and we had to waste a bunch of time intervening with local law enforcement to get a simple problem with the serial number ("yes, the 'US' is part of the serial number, guys") sorted out.
If so, there's going to be a whole rigamarole in which I ship it to a dealer there, the dealer says there's a problem, then we have to arrange return shipment, and we have a really disgruntled customer.
I once had a situation in which we shipped a handgun to a shop there on a customer's behalf. There was some sort of snafu with the registration process on his end, and we had to waste a bunch of time intervening with local law enforcement to get a simple problem with the serial number ("yes, the 'US' is part of the serial number, guys") sorted out.
There is an additional factor to consider, some vendors are suspending shipping even of currently legal items, for (as previously mentioned) "Ideological reasons".
Yes, it upsets the people in those states, and that is PART of the point.
Break it down, and along with the additional cost, some outfits are doing it to send a message, not to the politicians who put the crap in place, they don't care. But to the people who would otherwise be happy customers, the people who allowed those politicians into office in the first place.
Sure, its not that simple, but it also at the same time, is that simple.
We (gun owners) might be outnumbered and out voted in some areas, but, at least in part, it is because we didn't do enough, or often much of anything, until our personal "ox" got gored.
Simple in concept, difficult in practice but if every single gun owner voted together to boot those people out of office, AND made it clear that no matter what "good" they might do on other issues the reason we're giving them the boot is because of gun control, it will have an effect. We might not succeed, but if we get anywhere near close enough, that will have an effect as well.
One party openly claims gun control as one of their party planks. The other only pays us lip service (most of the time) because they don't fear losing our votes, as they see it, we simply "have nowhere else to go".
And, like it or not, one way to motivate people to act when they otherwise wouldn't is to piss them off.
It happened in 94. But right after that, we went back to sleep. Some people are waking up again, hopefully enough, time will tell.
Yes, it upsets the people in those states, and that is PART of the point.
Break it down, and along with the additional cost, some outfits are doing it to send a message, not to the politicians who put the crap in place, they don't care. But to the people who would otherwise be happy customers, the people who allowed those politicians into office in the first place.
Sure, its not that simple, but it also at the same time, is that simple.
We (gun owners) might be outnumbered and out voted in some areas, but, at least in part, it is because we didn't do enough, or often much of anything, until our personal "ox" got gored.
Simple in concept, difficult in practice but if every single gun owner voted together to boot those people out of office, AND made it clear that no matter what "good" they might do on other issues the reason we're giving them the boot is because of gun control, it will have an effect. We might not succeed, but if we get anywhere near close enough, that will have an effect as well.
One party openly claims gun control as one of their party planks. The other only pays us lip service (most of the time) because they don't fear losing our votes, as they see it, we simply "have nowhere else to go".
And, like it or not, one way to motivate people to act when they otherwise wouldn't is to piss them off.
It happened in 94. But right after that, we went back to sleep. Some people are waking up again, hopefully enough, time will tell.
This issue isn't just restricted to firearms, there comes a point for many companies that the hassle and expense of doing business in certain localities, while theoretically possible, just isn't worth it anymore. For example, my home state of Indiana passed a law this year requiring more stringent age verification to access online pornography and, if a website doesn't comply, they are opened to being sued should a minor access their website. As a result of this, one of the biggest pornographic websites has very publicly stated that they will simply block access to their site from any IP address from Indiana (they're also suing the state over the new law which is why it's prominent in the local news here).
Maryland, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, has a population of a little over 6 Million people. Put in perspective, of the 10 most populous cities in the U.S., only Jacksonville, FL has a population of less than 1 Million and just barely at that (949,611 as of the 2020 Census). Probably only a fraction of the people in Maryland are buying firearms and related accoutrements, so its unsurprising that many businesses simply don't view the trouble and expense of shipping to Maryland to be worth the trouble.
Finally, consider that the number of businesses that refuse to ship to Maryland may be a feature rather than a bug. It seems obvious to me that part of the point of draconian gun laws like those of Maryland is to discourage the exercise of 2A rights. I'm sure that online gun sellers giving up and washing their hands of Maryland doesn't cause the politicians who passed the offending laws to lose a wink of sleep.
Maryland, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, has a population of a little over 6 Million people. Put in perspective, of the 10 most populous cities in the U.S., only Jacksonville, FL has a population of less than 1 Million and just barely at that (949,611 as of the 2020 Census). Probably only a fraction of the people in Maryland are buying firearms and related accoutrements, so its unsurprising that many businesses simply don't view the trouble and expense of shipping to Maryland to be worth the trouble.
Finally, consider that the number of businesses that refuse to ship to Maryland may be a feature rather than a bug. It seems obvious to me that part of the point of draconian gun laws like those of Maryland is to discourage the exercise of 2A rights. I'm sure that online gun sellers giving up and washing their hands of Maryland doesn't cause the politicians who passed the offending laws to lose a wink of sleep.
Finally, consider that the number of businesses that refuse to ship to Maryland may be a feature rather than a bug. It seems obvious to me that part of the point of draconian gun laws like those of Maryland is to discourage the exercise of 2A rights. I'm sure that online gun sellers giving up and washing their hands of Maryland doesn't cause the politicians who passed the offending laws to lose a wink of sleep.
The entire point of most firearm laws is to make buying and owning a firearm as expensive and difficult as possible. Like this one.
stuckinthe60s
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makes one consider opening up gun speak easy's....instead of gun shops. lol.
I thought the Illinois situation was because you need an Illinois FOID card to buy ammunition, so it can only be sent to an FFL.
If you send a scanned copy of your FOID to the sales company they usually have no problems shipping ammo right to your door. I've been doing it for years without a problem. But the Illinois assault weapon ban has changed things for some places. I just find one that will ship.