Stoner SR25 Match vs. AR 10(T)

BobR

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it looks like the 7.62 bug has bitten me again. Am thinking of either a Stoner SR25 Match or Armalite AT10(T).

Does any one have stories to tell, or their preference. I already have a IDF M-14 (M1A now) sniper from springfield, and am thinking about putting one of these politically incorrect "assault rifles" with it.

I have found what I think is a really good deal on a Stoner. Hell, I know it is a good deal, just need the justification to spend the money.

thanks

Bob
 
I bought an AR10(T) back in about 94 or so and never used it much until this year. My shooting partner recently bought a used SR25 in excellent condition.

At first, my AR had a few extraction problems. I sent it back to Armalite. They re-crowned it, hand lapped the barrel, smoothed up the action, and sent it back with a test target showing 10 rounds of Black Hills Match in less than 7/8 of an inch. My friend with the SR25 fired five rounds of his handloads through the AR10 and got a group between 3/8 and 7/16 of an inch. It will fire Argentine military surplus ammo into sub MOA groups all day.

The SR25 has fired some 3/8 inch groups with Federal Match or the owner's handloads, but doesn't really do much better than the AR10. However, it is more of a hand built rifle and is a damn nice piece of equipment. I just didn't want to pay an extra $1500 for one.

Armalite solved my extraction problem and said that some of the "early rifles" like mine experienced such difficulties from the factory. They say that the newer ones do not. In any event, the rifle performs superbly and the Armalite customer support was outstanding. They really seemed to want to do some extra work for me to compensate for my having to ship the rifle back.

I am sure you would be delighted with either rifle, but the AR10(T) will save you enough money for a good scope. In addition, M14/M1A mags can be modified to fit it, which is not true of the Stoner.
 
aaahhhhhh.....A Knight.
No I don't have an SR-25 but I do have the SR-15 M4 with a 11101 Ser #
Be proud as you have or soon shall have something quite off the beaten path.

NO WINCHESTER AMMO, unless case lubed with ......geez, I forget..Honadry wax stuff.

Welcome to an Elite club...A club that spends more than they should for the same SR/AR sort.
Bushy all the way....but a Stoner is indeed something to hold.
Hell they only make about a 1000 SR15 per year

Karsten
 
I would go for the AR-10T myself and pocket the difference. The SR-25s that I have seen aren't all they are cracked up to be. And as long as you do not have any rough usage planned for the SR-25 it will work fine. The ones I saw tested (8 in all) with M852 Special Ball at 300M averaged 6-8" in 3-10 shot strings. Granted it may shoot a bit better with other ammo. But for the price I think the SR-25 is not worth it. Plus magazines, if you care are only limited to 10 rounds.
 
I got my AR10 A4 with the sole intent that it's going to be built into something that surpases both a stock Knights SR25 and an Armalite AR10 T. If you want to go real unique, save your money and go as box stock as possible.


As stock I'd rate the SR25 and the AR10 T as pretty much the same beast as far as performance goes. Over the years I've read reports from owners of both rifles where they've had problems with performance, head over to the biggerhammer link and you might find a few as well as find out how the problems were solved/fixed. Both Armalite and Knights rifles have had an occasional problem of not getting their gas keys staked to the bolt properly, if this happens the rifle will have shotty reliability and it hints that both companies have an occasional issue with quality assurance on the assembly line. Knights SR25s are also a bit finiky on ammo selection, most of the guys over on Biggerhammer will be able to confirm that and mention how they switched out the SR25 stock buffer so as to gain more reliability with other ammo types.



Also, I've heard that Knights Manufacturing can be a real pain in the ass to deal with if you need to return a rifle to have it worked on. If you try to buy new then you have to wait forever and a day for them to build your rifle, probably the reason most people resort to tracking down a used or LNIB SR25 when they get in the mood to buy one.



Armalite though tends to have better customer service and warranty speed, lifetime warranty with fewer hassles is pretty hard to beat.




The AR10 is a pretty cool rifle and I'm happy with my current AR10 A4 as it sits for now, I've developed a pretty decent handload for it that hovers right around the 1MOA area for 5 shots at 100 yards which is fairly decent yet it's still rugged enough to not have to treat it like some sort of gem. For a really accurate AR10 I'm gonna have a custom upper built, I'll switch out to it or amongst a few others and take pleasure in the diversity. I have a bit of a desire to own an SR25 but to me it would not be much more than just a "gee wiz" rifle that would just be a collector's piece to me and I couldn't drive myself to put any real hard useage through it.



The SR25 has it's "neato" factor going for it in that it's been adopted as a military issue rifle and that it's an exclusive hand made item. It's also very likely to hold it's value or even increase in value given time.


The AR10 is also "neato" in that physically it is closer to the AR15 in appearance and is a part of the Armalite history. I also like the fact that I can convert AR10 magazines from M14 magazines allowing me to have magazines for 2 rifles, even though you are butchering M14 tubes to get them into an AR10 it is possible to have a mag that will work in both an AR10 and an M1A, plus they are cheaper after converted than the SR25 20 round mags.



Somebody will likely add more but to me the Armalite is the way to go if you are going for a shooter.
 
Awhile back the military bought a large number of SR-25s and due to probs. most often they sit in weapons pools-hardly ever used for real world missions. The tolerances are too tight for most military applications.
 
Thought I'd come back in and post a pic of what my AR10 looks like now that I've got some updated pics of it uploaded to my site, if this was an SR25 I don't know if I'd have the heart or the guts to do this to it.

AR10A4od.jpg
 
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