Stoeger uplander question
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oneounceload
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Did you try removing the forearm to see if that would allow you to loosen the barrels for removal? Did you pull the stock to see if there was a burr or similar holding that firing pin stuck?
(Point is there are a lot of things to try before losing a lot of time shipping it back to the maker)
Good luck with it
(Point is there are a lot of things to try before losing a lot of time shipping it back to the maker)
Good luck with it
Here's an update in case anyone gives a hoot. Got a call today from selling dealer, Stoeger said that there was a piece of wood lodged in the reciever(don't know how it got there) plus they said one of the barrels was expanded(don't know what caused that). Anyways, Stoeger isn't gonna warranty it but the selling dealer is giving me a store credit for full purchase price. Now I'm in the market for a semi-auto 12ga. for sporting clays. Any suggestions?
oneounceload
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Beretta 39X series or their new A400 (NOT cheap), but the A400 my wife shoots will digest my 3/4oz target loads and handle anything up to 3-1/2". Even used, they are great guns. Benelli is another semi (NOT a gas gun) that has a great rep for reliability and performance...(Ask BigJimP about his)
First of all - any retailer that would warrant the gun ( when the mfg won't ) is a guy you should continue to buy any and all guns you want from ...
1. a piece of wood in the reciever ....(where in the receiver ??)
2. expanded barrels ...(where and how much ??)
those are pretty serious issues ....
For a semi-auto, I like the Benelli Super Sport model --- carbon fibre stock, comfort tech system in it, 12ga, 30" barrel .... its been a solid gun for me for about 5 yrs. I shot it more when I first got it ( bought it originally because it was light / and I had a fractured shoulder blade - and I couldn't shoot and swing my 8 1/2 lb O/U's .....until my shoulder got stronger). Today I use it as a travel / or a bad weather gun - but I think I have about 15,000 shells thru it by now ( 600 boxes or so ). It has a lot of adjustability - with snap on / off comb pads and recoil pads to change height of comb, length of pull - plus the shims between the receiver and the stock to fine tune it a little more.
It is an inertia gun / shoots a lot cleaner than a gas operated gun. Inertia guns will give you more recoil / but I think the comfort tech system helps a lot. I don't know if the "Crio" barrel stuff is just marketing BS or if its real / but I can tell you my gun is choked pretty tight ...so I go down one choke for whatever I'm doing. I shoot Cyclinder for Skeet 20- 25 yrs / IC for 16 yard Trap 30 - 35 yds ..... Its a light gun / 7.2 lbs I think - so I add about 1 lb of weight to it - when I shoot it - since my shoulder surgery and everything has been re-built --( 8 oz under the forend / 8oz inside the stock ) to help smooth out my swing ...otherwise its too "whippy" ..
I bought another one in 20ga / primarily for the grandkids to shoot - or for new shooters - its a 28" barrel ( if they made it in a 30", I would have bought that ). Its very light / hair over 6 lbs ... Its been a solid gun too.
I like the Benelli's a lot - if they have the comfort tech systems in them ( synthetic stocks only have it ) ... but the gas guns are getting better too ...Beretta 391, Browning Silver, Winchester are all good options these days ....
What's your budget ??
1. a piece of wood in the reciever ....(where in the receiver ??)
2. expanded barrels ...(where and how much ??)
those are pretty serious issues ....
For a semi-auto, I like the Benelli Super Sport model --- carbon fibre stock, comfort tech system in it, 12ga, 30" barrel .... its been a solid gun for me for about 5 yrs. I shot it more when I first got it ( bought it originally because it was light / and I had a fractured shoulder blade - and I couldn't shoot and swing my 8 1/2 lb O/U's .....until my shoulder got stronger). Today I use it as a travel / or a bad weather gun - but I think I have about 15,000 shells thru it by now ( 600 boxes or so ). It has a lot of adjustability - with snap on / off comb pads and recoil pads to change height of comb, length of pull - plus the shims between the receiver and the stock to fine tune it a little more.
It is an inertia gun / shoots a lot cleaner than a gas operated gun. Inertia guns will give you more recoil / but I think the comfort tech system helps a lot. I don't know if the "Crio" barrel stuff is just marketing BS or if its real / but I can tell you my gun is choked pretty tight ...so I go down one choke for whatever I'm doing. I shoot Cyclinder for Skeet 20- 25 yrs / IC for 16 yard Trap 30 - 35 yds ..... Its a light gun / 7.2 lbs I think - so I add about 1 lb of weight to it - when I shoot it - since my shoulder surgery and everything has been re-built --( 8 oz under the forend / 8oz inside the stock ) to help smooth out my swing ...otherwise its too "whippy" ..
I bought another one in 20ga / primarily for the grandkids to shoot - or for new shooters - its a 28" barrel ( if they made it in a 30", I would have bought that ). Its very light / hair over 6 lbs ... Its been a solid gun too.
I like the Benelli's a lot - if they have the comfort tech systems in them ( synthetic stocks only have it ) ... but the gas guns are getting better too ...Beretta 391, Browning Silver, Winchester are all good options these days ....
What's your budget ??
I agree with your first statement. I've bought 3 guns already from this dealer plus ammo and other goodies. I think they are the best in the Richmond,VA area.
Budget will be in the $1200-$1800 range, possibly a little more if need be.
I'm new to the clay shooting sports, have only gone once, but I'm hooked. I joined the NSCA and look forward to doing competitions in the future once I hone my skills. I'm just not sure if I should settle on a semi-auto or go with an o/u.
Budget will be in the $1200-$1800 range, possibly a little more if need be.
I'm new to the clay shooting sports, have only gone once, but I'm hooked. I joined the NSCA and look forward to doing competitions in the future once I hone my skills. I'm just not sure if I should settle on a semi-auto or go with an o/u.
Personally, for all the clay target games --- I prefer an O/U.
But again it comes down to Fit - and budget. To score your best - you have to have a gun that "Fits" so it hits where you look.
O/U has an advantage - you can put in 2 different chokes. If you re-load then you aren't having to pick up your hulls ( shake water and or crud out of them ). Mechanically, an O/U is a lot more reliable - it isn't as fussy about shells ( if you can get the shell into the chamber and close the gun it'll fire ). Some semi-autos are finnicky - and there are way more parts in a semi-auto than an O/U.
O/U's can fail - break springs, firing pins, etc - you have to maintain them like any shotgun.
Adjustability - and fit in all seasons is an issue on any sporting clays gun. It has to have the same point of impact if you shoot in a T shirt on a hot July tournament / or on a cold day in November. That means - most angled comb guns are out - because you'll move up or back on the comb on hot vs cold days - based on what you're wearing.
For parallel comb guns / where the comb is parallel to the rib --- Browning makes a couple of guns ... Citori XS Skeet model, Citori XS Special model. Either gun will work for you / my personal preference is Citori XS Skeet, with the adj comb, 30" barrels --- but new that gun is in the $ 2,900 range...
I primarily like the XS Skeet model - because with its built in adjustability it seems to fit 99.9% of the shooters I see. Its also a work horse / and a solid long term investment - if you take care of it ( often selling used for as much as you paid for it in a few years ) - even if you've put 100,000 shells thru it.
Durability is an issue on sporting guns - because many shooters will put 40 boxes a week thru their guns easily with weekend shoots and practice - or at least 12,000 shells a yr thru a gun / and many put 25,000 a yr thru them.
A semi-auto like the Benelli Super Sport model - has a lot of adjustability with shims, snap in comb pads, snap in recoil pads to set it up properly ...and new its in the $ 1,875 range.
Angled comb guns - whether they are marked for "sporting" or "field" or whatever ...are poor choices in the clay target games in general - because of Fit issues. Guns like the Browning Citori, 625 Sporting as an example - or the Citori Lightning - are very durable guns .... but they might give you fit issues ...
But again it comes down to Fit - and budget. To score your best - you have to have a gun that "Fits" so it hits where you look.
O/U has an advantage - you can put in 2 different chokes. If you re-load then you aren't having to pick up your hulls ( shake water and or crud out of them ). Mechanically, an O/U is a lot more reliable - it isn't as fussy about shells ( if you can get the shell into the chamber and close the gun it'll fire ). Some semi-autos are finnicky - and there are way more parts in a semi-auto than an O/U.
O/U's can fail - break springs, firing pins, etc - you have to maintain them like any shotgun.
Adjustability - and fit in all seasons is an issue on any sporting clays gun. It has to have the same point of impact if you shoot in a T shirt on a hot July tournament / or on a cold day in November. That means - most angled comb guns are out - because you'll move up or back on the comb on hot vs cold days - based on what you're wearing.
For parallel comb guns / where the comb is parallel to the rib --- Browning makes a couple of guns ... Citori XS Skeet model, Citori XS Special model. Either gun will work for you / my personal preference is Citori XS Skeet, with the adj comb, 30" barrels --- but new that gun is in the $ 2,900 range...
I primarily like the XS Skeet model - because with its built in adjustability it seems to fit 99.9% of the shooters I see. Its also a work horse / and a solid long term investment - if you take care of it ( often selling used for as much as you paid for it in a few years ) - even if you've put 100,000 shells thru it.
Durability is an issue on sporting guns - because many shooters will put 40 boxes a week thru their guns easily with weekend shoots and practice - or at least 12,000 shells a yr thru a gun / and many put 25,000 a yr thru them.
A semi-auto like the Benelli Super Sport model - has a lot of adjustability with shims, snap in comb pads, snap in recoil pads to set it up properly ...and new its in the $ 1,875 range.
Angled comb guns - whether they are marked for "sporting" or "field" or whatever ...are poor choices in the clay target games in general - because of Fit issues. Guns like the Browning Citori, 625 Sporting as an example - or the Citori Lightning - are very durable guns .... but they might give you fit issues ...
You may want to try the clays a few more times before you make your decision. Should you find yourself a regular NSCA competitor, most likely you'll want an O/U. Yes, there will always be those who prefer a auto-loader; however, if you reload (almost a necessity) picking up hulls is a nuisance.JBial said:
With your budget, you'll probably be better served with a used comp O/U instead of a new budget gun. This is the time of year when comp shooters may be trading-in their B-guns for next year's P and K-guns. Does Greentop have a selection of used sporting O/Us?
Yes, Greentop has a pretty good selection of used o/u's. When I get home from TX I'll be shopping there.I picked up a beautiful Browning 7mm that I'll be looking to flip if they offer me a good price on it. That would be put towards the new/used shotgun purchase.
I appreciate all the valuable information from you guys, and will concentrate on an o/u. Seems to be the easiest to use on the field without having to chase down spent shells as noted.
There is a sporting clays club in the town that I live in so I plan on frequenting them quite a bit for parctice and such. They do rent guns so I could always see what they have and give them a whirl before I come to a decision.
I appreciate all the valuable information from you guys, and will concentrate on an o/u. Seems to be the easiest to use on the field without having to chase down spent shells as noted.
There is a sporting clays club in the town that I live in so I plan on frequenting them quite a bit for parctice and such. They do rent guns so I could always see what they have and give them a whirl before I come to a decision.
oneounceload
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Currently where I shoot in Fl, I see about 80% O/U to 20% semis....and all of those semis are one of the Berettas.....
That being said, like Zippy mentioned, shoot a while first. For your budget, you will get a much better quality semi than a comparable O/U
Welcome to the addiction........
That being said, like Zippy mentioned, shoot a while first. For your budget, you will get a much better quality semi than a comparable O/U
Welcome to the addiction........
Zippy's advice is sound ( I missed that you had only been out once ..) ...so it may be a little early to really know what kind of gun you need / what fits you the best.
Renting guns can give you some good info / but I've rarely seen a rental gun that was taken care of the way it should - on shotguns, handguns, etc ...and it can lead to some false impressions as well.
As you hang around the gun club - talk to the guys shooting a variety of guns / many guys make let you put some shells thru one of their guns ...to give you a better idea on the lenght of pull, weight, etc ...
Like Zippy said there are a lot of used guns out there ....just don't fall into the Trap of saying any of Browning's O/U's , as an example, will fit you - because I think there are 25 different models of Citori's out there - and a lot of them have different stock dimensions.
Getting hooked on these games is great - but you don't want to make a bad $ 3,000 decison on a gun that you hate 3 months down the road either. I don't know that there is anything wrong with at least looking at some of the new or used offerings from the upper end guns - like Perazzi, Blazer, Kolar or Krieghoff as well ...and then come back to the more working man's guns by Beretta or Browning. You will also find that if a Browning Citori fits you / then the Beretta's will not ....there is enough difference in the 2 mfg's guns ...that its usually an either or option ....unless you just happen to be the exact body type that they designed for on similar models ...
I'd love to have a new Blazer, or Kolar or Krieghoff ....but my Brownings are just fine too ...but my serious competition days are behind me .../and I have all the guns I'll ever need or want for the most part.
Renting guns can give you some good info / but I've rarely seen a rental gun that was taken care of the way it should - on shotguns, handguns, etc ...and it can lead to some false impressions as well.
As you hang around the gun club - talk to the guys shooting a variety of guns / many guys make let you put some shells thru one of their guns ...to give you a better idea on the lenght of pull, weight, etc ...
Like Zippy said there are a lot of used guns out there ....just don't fall into the Trap of saying any of Browning's O/U's , as an example, will fit you - because I think there are 25 different models of Citori's out there - and a lot of them have different stock dimensions.
Getting hooked on these games is great - but you don't want to make a bad $ 3,000 decison on a gun that you hate 3 months down the road either. I don't know that there is anything wrong with at least looking at some of the new or used offerings from the upper end guns - like Perazzi, Blazer, Kolar or Krieghoff as well ...and then come back to the more working man's guns by Beretta or Browning. You will also find that if a Browning Citori fits you / then the Beretta's will not ....there is enough difference in the 2 mfg's guns ...that its usually an either or option ....unless you just happen to be the exact body type that they designed for on similar models ...
I'd love to have a new Blazer, or Kolar or Krieghoff ....but my Brownings are just fine too ...but my serious competition days are behind me .../and I have all the guns I'll ever need or want for the most part.
oneounceload
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BLASPHEMY!!!!
oneounceload
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Wait a second Jim - you sell INSURANCE.....surely you must have a policy to make you the next bionic man with a $25 copay...................
I have fired a LH Benelli a few times (there's actually one or two other LH shooters at my club) -no question as to their quality or reliability.....but they seem (to me at least), to have just a tad more OOMPH to the shoulder than even the wife's A400...........you need to try one of those Jim..seriously
I have fired a LH Benelli a few times (there's actually one or two other LH shooters at my club) -no question as to their quality or reliability.....but they seem (to me at least), to have just a tad more OOMPH to the shoulder than even the wife's A400...........you need to try one of those Jim..seriously
There is only so much a surgeon can do with these old parts buddy ...../ and unfortunately nothing they can do / will be as good as mother nature intended .....
Its not the insurance that's the problem - its the patient that isn't willing ...
I was shooting the Benelli Super Sport yesterday ....it was ok but its a combination of stuff ....blurry dominant eye vision ( that comes and goes ), arthritis in my right hand and wrist, the shoulder and bicep issues ...( and those cat like reflexes are long gone ) ...
But hey buddy, even my bad days are great !! There are a lot of guys in this world that have way more challenges than I'll ever have .... I've been very lucky ....
The Benelli with the comfort Tech system in it ...is really a soft shooting gun ...but I have Citori XS Skeet models in 20ga, 28ga and .410 and I can shoot those as well !! Unfortunately it isn't anything a new gun can really fix ...
Its not the insurance that's the problem - its the patient that isn't willing ...
I was shooting the Benelli Super Sport yesterday ....it was ok but its a combination of stuff ....blurry dominant eye vision ( that comes and goes ), arthritis in my right hand and wrist, the shoulder and bicep issues ...( and those cat like reflexes are long gone ) ...
But hey buddy, even my bad days are great !! There are a lot of guys in this world that have way more challenges than I'll ever have .... I've been very lucky ....
The Benelli with the comfort Tech system in it ...is really a soft shooting gun ...but I have Citori XS Skeet models in 20ga, 28ga and .410 and I can shoot those as well !! Unfortunately it isn't anything a new gun can really fix ...
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