Stoeger Condor ?
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Stoeger Coach Gun
I checked out a Stoeger Coach gun on Friday and was not impressed at all.
This was the hammerless 2 trigger gun and it was exceedingly stiff and hard to open the action. The overall machining and finish just seemed of poor quality IMHO.
$329
They had a Cimmaron rabbit-ear hammer 12 ga coach gun and it was of far better quality in every way but the price was $429.
I was going to get the Cimmaron but then saw the Cimmaron Model 1897 and tried it out. It was $459.
So I wound up getting neither. I am debating.
I checked out a Stoeger Coach gun on Friday and was not impressed at all.
This was the hammerless 2 trigger gun and it was exceedingly stiff and hard to open the action. The overall machining and finish just seemed of poor quality IMHO.
$329
They had a Cimmaron rabbit-ear hammer 12 ga coach gun and it was of far better quality in every way but the price was $429.
I was going to get the Cimmaron but then saw the Cimmaron Model 1897 and tried it out. It was $459.
So I wound up getting neither. I am debating.
I am a rifle guy, so take this for what it's worth. I had seen one at a local Bimart and automatically assumed it was junk. Then they put them on sale so I took a look. When I shouldered it my head position was naturally correct--somthing that doesn't happen often for me with a shotgun. I opened it, expecting it to be very stiff. I was surprised to find it only a little stiff. It takes Winchester chokes.
I took it home and eventully shot some caly pigeons with it. Very quickly I was hitting with it as well as I do with any shotgun, and the slightly stiff opening was no issue. The trigger was heavy for a rifle guy but about like all the other shotguns I have shot (Rem 870s, H&Rs, and a couple of other over/unders.)
It is perfect for me. It isn't the pre 64 M-70 of shotguns, but it works without fuss. I suppose if I was a serious shotgunner I'd pass on the Stoeger and have something between a Red Label and Krieghoff.
The day after I shot the clay pigeons I took it hunting:
I took it home and eventully shot some caly pigeons with it. Very quickly I was hitting with it as well as I do with any shotgun, and the slightly stiff opening was no issue. The trigger was heavy for a rifle guy but about like all the other shotguns I have shot (Rem 870s, H&Rs, and a couple of other over/unders.)
It is perfect for me. It isn't the pre 64 M-70 of shotguns, but it works without fuss. I suppose if I was a serious shotgunner I'd pass on the Stoeger and have something between a Red Label and Krieghoff.
The day after I shot the clay pigeons I took it hunting:
Stoeger Condor
My son and I both have Condor Supremes. Are they the quality of a Browning Citori, NO. But they are reliable and accurate shotguns that we are not afraid to take to the field or the duck blind. Neither of us has had any trouble with ours, but we did inspect several that we passed on before buying.
My son and I both have Condor Supremes. Are they the quality of a Browning Citori, NO. But they are reliable and accurate shotguns that we are not afraid to take to the field or the duck blind. Neither of us has had any trouble with ours, but we did inspect several that we passed on before buying.
One thing you have to ask yourself ...if Beretta and Browning have set the standards for new entry level O/U's in the $1,500 price range ....what makes these guns selling for $ 350 worth the risk for your money ??
What happens if you have an issue - will the retailer take it back ? Will you have to ship it 1,000 miles away for warranty service ...and who pays / how soon will you get it back ?
What if the barrel locking mechanism between barrel and receiver fails ..is it fixable for under $ 300 ? What if one barrel has a point of impact 6" low at 21 yards / and the other barrel is 6" high and 3" right ( and I've seen it happen on Huglu's, Baikals, etc ) ....now what ? Is it fixable ?? and how much ?? Firing pin issues, spring issues - can a local gunsmith get parts / can they or will they work on the gun ?? Most any local gunsmith will work on a Beretta or Browning ...but for a gun under $500 ...you might be better off scrapping it / buying another gun ...
Now what if any of these things happens in the first 300 shells ??
The difference between the cheap O/U's and Beretta or Browning entry level O/U's isn't just fancy wood or finish ....sometimes its the quality of the steel and stuff you can't see.
Why is it that a Browning Lightning O/U bought new in 1988 for $ 750 ...in reasonable shape today ...is worth $1,000 on the "used market" today ....even if its had 10,000 shells thru it already ?? Stength of parts, durability, fit, finish ...longevity ...all pay off.
If you buy the Stoeger ...or Spartan, or Baikal, etc ... / I hope it turns out ok for you ...but if you find out in 2 yrs it was a waste of money and now its just junk ....I'll be sad.
What happens if you have an issue - will the retailer take it back ? Will you have to ship it 1,000 miles away for warranty service ...and who pays / how soon will you get it back ?
What if the barrel locking mechanism between barrel and receiver fails ..is it fixable for under $ 300 ? What if one barrel has a point of impact 6" low at 21 yards / and the other barrel is 6" high and 3" right ( and I've seen it happen on Huglu's, Baikals, etc ) ....now what ? Is it fixable ?? and how much ?? Firing pin issues, spring issues - can a local gunsmith get parts / can they or will they work on the gun ?? Most any local gunsmith will work on a Beretta or Browning ...but for a gun under $500 ...you might be better off scrapping it / buying another gun ...
Now what if any of these things happens in the first 300 shells ??
The difference between the cheap O/U's and Beretta or Browning entry level O/U's isn't just fancy wood or finish ....sometimes its the quality of the steel and stuff you can't see.
Why is it that a Browning Lightning O/U bought new in 1988 for $ 750 ...in reasonable shape today ...is worth $1,000 on the "used market" today ....even if its had 10,000 shells thru it already ?? Stength of parts, durability, fit, finish ...longevity ...all pay off.
If you buy the Stoeger ...or Spartan, or Baikal, etc ... / I hope it turns out ok for you ...but if you find out in 2 yrs it was a waste of money and now its just junk ....I'll be sad.