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Still don't believe in the New World Order?
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Agent Orange
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No, I don't believe in the NWO. ALL of the quotes are partial quotes taken OUT OF CONTEXT. I am familiar with several quotes, and they were taken from speeches or articles that are many pages long. One needs to see what was stated before the actual quote, AND what was spoken or written after the quoted phrase. If you do so, you will realize that the speaker (or writer) was expounding on a completely unrelated theme! Further, a couple of the quotes are bogus.
Please show me actual evidence (i.e. pictures of black helicopters in your back yard) of the vast worldwide conspiracy to enslave us all.
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Please show me actual evidence (i.e. pictures of black helicopters in your back yard) of the vast worldwide conspiracy to enslave us all.
[This message has been edited by Agent Orange (edited July 31, 2000).]
These NWO types must be pretty inept. They have been talking about it for over 100 years according to some of those quotes and have yet to accomplish their goal.
They must either be the most patient men and women in the entire history of mankind or the biggest fools. They talk of changes that will effect only their great-great grandchildren, changes that they will never live to see. This is in total opposition to normal human nature. Men have started corporations, banks, businesses and even revolutions mainly to benefit themselves and their immediate families; be it power, freedom or riches, it was not to benefit far and unknown future generations.
Without knowing the context of many of these quotes, it is impossible to assign nefarious intentions to many of them. Many of the quotes appear to me to be wishing for peace and understanding amoungst the nations of the world. Is this not what the great religions wish for? An end to wars, poverty and violence? Now we all know that world peace and an end to poverty is highly unlikely given human nature, but isn't this an understandable desire of many?
I am not so foolish to assume that some people do not wish for a one world government. I am just not so foolish as to believe that everyone who uses the term "New World Order" has the same thing in mind! The people desirous of a one world government are mainly power mad political types who wish to enhance their own power. This has been the case since pre-history. The Romans attempted to conquer the entire known world as did the Mongols. The communists are an excellent example of this, yet even they can't agree who should lead!
Corporation owners and international bankers could care less if there are 500 nations or only one. Their desire is to make a profit. One government could actually be a detriment to this goal. Wars have proven quite profitable for many of them. A one world government could furthermore endanger their operations by preventing them from going to the nation that is willing to give them the best deal. Imagine if labor rules were the same the world over, Nike could no longer make cheap sneakers in Asia to sell to the 1st world nations if they had to pay the Asians our minimum wage rates and institute our environmental regulations.
If, as many NWO types fear, they want to pay everyone in the world five cents an hour and eliminate all safety and environmental regulations, who could afford to buy their products?
People have been exploiting others fear of an unknown boogyman for years to gain and hold on to power. I am sure that cro-magnon man used the fear of neanderthal man much as many NWO types use the fear of the CFR, the Tri-laterals and the Bilderburghers.
This NWO has supposedly been a huge secret for hundreds of years. Funny thing about large conspiracies is that they are impossible to keep secret. How does this one manage to defy all odds?
They must either be the most patient men and women in the entire history of mankind or the biggest fools. They talk of changes that will effect only their great-great grandchildren, changes that they will never live to see. This is in total opposition to normal human nature. Men have started corporations, banks, businesses and even revolutions mainly to benefit themselves and their immediate families; be it power, freedom or riches, it was not to benefit far and unknown future generations.
Without knowing the context of many of these quotes, it is impossible to assign nefarious intentions to many of them. Many of the quotes appear to me to be wishing for peace and understanding amoungst the nations of the world. Is this not what the great religions wish for? An end to wars, poverty and violence? Now we all know that world peace and an end to poverty is highly unlikely given human nature, but isn't this an understandable desire of many?
I am not so foolish to assume that some people do not wish for a one world government. I am just not so foolish as to believe that everyone who uses the term "New World Order" has the same thing in mind! The people desirous of a one world government are mainly power mad political types who wish to enhance their own power. This has been the case since pre-history. The Romans attempted to conquer the entire known world as did the Mongols. The communists are an excellent example of this, yet even they can't agree who should lead!
Corporation owners and international bankers could care less if there are 500 nations or only one. Their desire is to make a profit. One government could actually be a detriment to this goal. Wars have proven quite profitable for many of them. A one world government could furthermore endanger their operations by preventing them from going to the nation that is willing to give them the best deal. Imagine if labor rules were the same the world over, Nike could no longer make cheap sneakers in Asia to sell to the 1st world nations if they had to pay the Asians our minimum wage rates and institute our environmental regulations.
If, as many NWO types fear, they want to pay everyone in the world five cents an hour and eliminate all safety and environmental regulations, who could afford to buy their products?
People have been exploiting others fear of an unknown boogyman for years to gain and hold on to power. I am sure that cro-magnon man used the fear of neanderthal man much as many NWO types use the fear of the CFR, the Tri-laterals and the Bilderburghers.
This NWO has supposedly been a huge secret for hundreds of years. Funny thing about large conspiracies is that they are impossible to keep secret. How does this one manage to defy all odds?
Art Eatman
Staff in Memoriam
Gotta go along with you on that one, Cactus. The "NWO" "group" (Bilderbergers, Tri-Lats, CFR, et al) have got to be either the most inept group ever known--or they're pretty much dreamed up by the well-meaning paranoid.
Chuck Harder of "For The People" is on our side as to RKBA, but he keeps nattering about how "they" are trying to wreck the US economy. Hmmm. Why would folks who sell "stuff" want to wreck their biggest market? Duh? But Good Ol' Ralph Nader was right in there agreeing with him...
Overall, show me any country whose government is fully in charge. Anywhere! Who's gonna "run" the whole danged world? I haven't seen anybody smart enough, in my 66 years! Certainly not in the UN!
Whee!
Art
Chuck Harder of "For The People" is on our side as to RKBA, but he keeps nattering about how "they" are trying to wreck the US economy. Hmmm. Why would folks who sell "stuff" want to wreck their biggest market? Duh? But Good Ol' Ralph Nader was right in there agreeing with him...
Overall, show me any country whose government is fully in charge. Anywhere! Who's gonna "run" the whole danged world? I haven't seen anybody smart enough, in my 66 years! Certainly not in the UN!
Whee!
Art
I still haven't figured out why this idea is so far out to everyone, we had a president up there proclaiming it etc.
You know Global goverment has just very recently become a real possibility, it's not that they were inept, they just did not have the means of communication open necessary to accomplish that goal. Now we have the means to travel, worldwide economic powers fully open communication lines necessary for this feat to be accomplished. It would have been hard to keep everybody on the same ball 100 years ago when traveling that far took forever - it is not like that now. This situation is more real then it appears.
You know Global goverment has just very recently become a real possibility, it's not that they were inept, they just did not have the means of communication open necessary to accomplish that goal. Now we have the means to travel, worldwide economic powers fully open communication lines necessary for this feat to be accomplished. It would have been hard to keep everybody on the same ball 100 years ago when traveling that far took forever - it is not like that now. This situation is more real then it appears.
Boy, I can see that the NWO has really got some of you guys so bambooseled that you do not even believe in their existance. Just where do you think the drive for gun control came from anyways??? Duh! Just out od the blue ? NOT! Something the democrats dreamed up all by themselves . AAANNTT--- NOT.
NWO messing up the USA all around you and you don't see it. Started back before 1944 and you are so used to it you are blind and cant see it.
Don't believe me right! Learn for yourself;
visit http://www.jbs.org and click on article "Get US out of the UN"
I did not really believe either, I too, scoffed, until I learned different.
Ignorance of reality is such sweet bliss, though, and who needs yet another worry and yet another cause.
NWO- the root of most all of our governmental evils.
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NWO messing up the USA all around you and you don't see it. Started back before 1944 and you are so used to it you are blind and cant see it.
Don't believe me right! Learn for yourself;
visit http://www.jbs.org and click on article "Get US out of the UN"
I did not really believe either, I too, scoffed, until I learned different.
Ignorance of reality is such sweet bliss, though, and who needs yet another worry and yet another cause.
NWO- the root of most all of our governmental evils.
[This message has been edited by ernest2 (edited August 01, 2000).]
I would imagine that when the first three people got together to build Ur, one of them decided that the other two had formed a Secret Society Bent On Ruling the World.
I think that it's probably a cornerstone of the human psyche to find something to blame the Evils of the World on, and what better Bogeyman than a Secret Society?
If anyone asks you for proof, well it is a Secret Society. That, together with an ability to out-shout any detractors is really all that one needs.
Kind of fun to read, if one is into poorly written fiction, but not anything to get ones knickers into a knot over.
LawDog
I think that it's probably a cornerstone of the human psyche to find something to blame the Evils of the World on, and what better Bogeyman than a Secret Society?
If anyone asks you for proof, well it is a Secret Society. That, together with an ability to out-shout any detractors is really all that one needs.
Kind of fun to read, if one is into poorly written fiction, but not anything to get ones knickers into a knot over.
LawDog
The NWO is coming, whether youlike it or not. The phenomenon is kind of like rock and roll. Many didnt think it would last, many thought it would be the downfall of modern man. Neither was quite right. The concepts of global government are with us as we speak. What do you think the UN was set up for, fun? It was established as a means for countries to address their greviences without war. Over the past few decades that has grown to humanitarian intervention, and even policy establishment that member countries must abide by. The logical step is to remove the middle men. As for people being nationalistic. First and foremost, since when does government have anything to do with the people. Just look at what we are dealing with here in the free USA. Second, how can the 250+ million people of the USA live together as one country rather than 50 separate ones??? Nationalism is the feeling that one belings to a unit, weather that unit is small like RI or big as USA is irrelevant. People will still feel like they are nationalists, the4 only difference would be that they were part of the global unit rather than the samller one we used to belong to. Another example is the EU. Many countries who have been at eachother's throats are now pretty much joined economically. Step one. Just as the states of the USA can work together and at the same time maintain their identities, so can the world. The question that we need to worry about is what form will it take. Will it be the great evil many people see it as or will it be the great benefactor some proclaim it to be?
Art Eatman
Staff in Memoriam
I dunno, TAZ. Maybe it's because I read the articles in SOF Mag instead of the ads; and follow http:///www.stratfor.com daily. But from what I'm seeing/reading/hearing, there is more of a breakdown than a coalescence.
I think few would argue that there are some who would indeed favor some single government over the whole world. The problem is twofold: First, plain old human nature. Second, power struggles among "those who would be king". The mix of the two is fragmenting countries all over the world, whether Indonesia, Mexico or the U.S.
You mention the economic union of Europe. It is very fragile, and is "sorta" succeeding now, while times are pretty good and their stock markets and currencies are in reasonably good shape. I submit that if our own stock market bubble blows out, all bets are off, world-wide.
Saying that modern communications technology enables stronger governmental controls ignores the reality that this technology is doing much to render governments superfluous in many ways. It is, actually, decreasing their power. Factor in the estimate that the Internet will more than triple in the next few years, and that the majority of this growth will be outside the U.S. My recommendation would be to find some instant-translation software!
Note that the UN is more ineffectual now than it was 50 years ago. I doubt it will improve any...
I just see too many factions, worldwide, of near-equal power, none of whom would give up that power. I think that in the U.S., the multi-culturalism that is of proper concern to many of us will disappear in a heartbeat if some real-world outside threat were to develop--and our own more-than-equal power would then come to the fore. Right now, we're spoiled and lazy--because we can afford to be. But we can change, quickly, as some folks found out in 1941 and after.
FWIW, Art
I think few would argue that there are some who would indeed favor some single government over the whole world. The problem is twofold: First, plain old human nature. Second, power struggles among "those who would be king". The mix of the two is fragmenting countries all over the world, whether Indonesia, Mexico or the U.S.
You mention the economic union of Europe. It is very fragile, and is "sorta" succeeding now, while times are pretty good and their stock markets and currencies are in reasonably good shape. I submit that if our own stock market bubble blows out, all bets are off, world-wide.
Saying that modern communications technology enables stronger governmental controls ignores the reality that this technology is doing much to render governments superfluous in many ways. It is, actually, decreasing their power. Factor in the estimate that the Internet will more than triple in the next few years, and that the majority of this growth will be outside the U.S. My recommendation would be to find some instant-translation software!
Note that the UN is more ineffectual now than it was 50 years ago. I doubt it will improve any...
I just see too many factions, worldwide, of near-equal power, none of whom would give up that power. I think that in the U.S., the multi-culturalism that is of proper concern to many of us will disappear in a heartbeat if some real-world outside threat were to develop--and our own more-than-equal power would then come to the fore. Right now, we're spoiled and lazy--because we can afford to be. But we can change, quickly, as some folks found out in 1941 and after.
FWIW, Art