Stiff mags?

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I had a question about magazines. I apologize if this is a common issue that has been answered a million times already. Recently my handgun had a couple feeding issues and I am almost sure it can be traced back to two new magazines. The magazines are new and normally will take 15 rounds of 9mm. On those two magazines I noticed it was difficult to load the 14th round and really difficult to load the 15th round. Are there any suggestions about these magazines? The handgun is a Sig Sauer P320 Compact and the new magazines are from that company. Thank you.
 
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Loading a new mag -- more specifically, a mag with a new mag spring -- to capacity is often a challenge. However, once the spring takes a set it will become much easier. In the meantime, consider getting an Uplula mag loader, which makes loading, especially with a new, stiff spring, much easier. Also, store your mags fully loaded for a while to hasten breaking in the spring.

I doubt a stiff mag spring is causing feeding problems. My understanding is if a mag is at fault it is typically due to the feed lips being somehow misshapened. A rough feed ramp is another common culprit, especially with JHPs. And, some pistols don't like certain brands of ammo, which is why you want to reliability test your intended carry ammo before committing to it.

Good luck with your problem solving.
 
Overly stiff spring pressure can cause feeding issues. If the issues only happen for the first few rounds then go away, then the spring may be the cause.

As was suggested, storing the mags fully loaded for a few days should help. If not, return the mags for new ones.
 
Downloading by a round or two will help with the feeding issues. I have found with some of my gun/magazine combinations that if the slide is closed when I insert the full magazine, I am more prone to feeding issues. If the slide is locked open and the magazine is then inserted, the slide is then slingshot closed, the action of striping off the first round goes smoothly.

My Gunsmith suggested that I download all my magazines by one round and I followed his advice and have all but eliminated feeding issues.

If your gun has feeding issues with rounds in the middle or bottom of the magazine, I would look to the recoil spring to be changed.
 
[QUOTEIn the meantime, consider getting an Uplula mag loader, which makes loading, especially with a new, stiff spring, much easier. ][/QUOTE]

A big yes for this suggestion. Also, I was somewhat surprised when upon reading the owners manual of my new Taurus PTIII G2 is advised one to load both 12 round magazines to full capacity and leave them that way for 48 hours before using them. I have never read that before, (not that I read the owners manuals all the time).
 
marine6680 said:
Overly stiff spring pressure can cause feeding issues. If the issues only happen for the first few rounds then go away, then the spring may be the cause.

As was suggested, storing the mags fully loaded for a few days should help. If not, return the mags for new ones.

I believe the malfunctions were during the first few rounds using the two magazines in question. Originally I thought it might be the ammunition but that ammunition worked fine in a half loaded magazine. I will try keeping the magazines loaded for a few days. I appreciate everyone's input.
 
Yeah I had an issue with a new 1911 magazine years back. I couldn't get more than two shots off, and it started to fall apart at my first trip to the range. It was a freebie that came with the gun as part of a deal, but I ended up tossing it as it was obviously of poor quality. One of my Kahr mags had issues too if I didn't ensure the rounds were pushed all the way back when loading the last two to three rounds too.

And my Glock had similar issues, but they went away after a second trip... I generally leave them loaded over night at least, but didn't this time around.
 
Is the gun relatively new too? After a few hundred rounds the action will smooth out, the feed ramp will burnish (just a little bit). Perhaps the new magazine with stiffer/newer springs is adding friction when chambering a round, which means less speed/force to chamber the round.

Try the things mentioned above.

You could also polish the feed ramp by hand - no dremel please unless you're very careful. You could just get some mother's mag polish from Walmart, put a glob on a rag, and rub the feed ramp until it's bright and shiny. I use a jeweler's rouge cloth (cheap, bought it online) and a pencil eraser since my finger gets sore. You can't overdo it if it's by hand. And to think some pay $60+ to have a smith do it. That right there is the basis for a lot of DIY action jobs.
 
It was mentioned earlier -- but if you're loading the mag with the slide closed, that may be causing the problem. A lot of gun designs have problems when loaded in that manner.

Open the slide, insert the full mag, and release the slide -- if it chambers properly that way, just continue to do it that way.

(And, in real life, that's most likely the way you'd do it... except at the range and in some USPSA/IPSC competitions.)
 
Also, I was somewhat surprised when upon reading the owners manual of my new Taurus PTIII G2 is advised one to load both 12 round magazines to full capacity and leave them that way for 48 hours before using them.

Lurch, I was having trouble buying into marine's claim that a new, stiff mag spring could cause feeding problems ... until I read your post noting Taurus's owner's manual caveat, which can only be interpreted as validating marine's claim.

I've never had a feeding problem with any of my CZs, but loading new mags was a painful chore before I got an Uplula. But, after reading that all springs eventually take a set, I opted to load all my mags after cleaning my guns after a range session. When I hit the range the following month I forgot my Uplula, having neglected to return it to my range bag after using it to load 11 mags. I was cursing myself when it came time to reload my mags at the range without the Uplula, but was surprised how much easier it was because each mag spring had spent a month fully compressed.

The trick works on recoil springs, too. When I got my first CZ 83 I had a difficult time racking the slide, because my left shoulder was frozen. Racking either by slingshotting or with an overhand grip was just impossible because of the intense pain. I had to switch hands to rack the slide, and I learned how to do it like a weak girl, allowing me to keep the pistol in my gun hand, but after seeing what happened to my mag springs after storing them compressed for a month, I did the same to the recoil springs by storing them with actions locked open for a month. It helped, but the change was not as dramatic as it was for the mag springs, probably because of intensity of the pain involved.

You could also polish the feed ramp by hand - no dremel please unless you're very careful. You could just get some mother's mag polish from Walmart, put a glob on a rag, and rub the feed ramp until it's bright and shiny. I use a jeweler's rouge cloth (cheap, bought it online) and a pencil eraser since my finger gets sore. You can't overdo it if it's by hand. And to think some pay $60+ to have a smith do it. That right there is the basis for a lot of DIY action jobs.

dyl, good recommendation. May I assume there is no need to apply polish to the jeweler's rouge cloth, because it is already impregnated with the rouge? The rouge is meant to polish precious metals, which are soft. It must work on harder steel, or you wouldn't be using it, but would the mag polish be quicker?

It was mentioned earlier -- but if you're loading the mag with the slide closed, that may be causing the problem. A lot of gun designs have problems when loaded in that manner.

Open the slide, insert the full mag, and release the slide -- if it chambers properly that way, just continue to do it that way.

Walt, of course you lose one round of capacity doing that. I may have to give my mag base plate a solid whack to ensure it locks into place with a round in the chamber, but I've got rubber base plates on all but my CZ 82, so a solid whack is easy and worth that additional round.
 
Limnophile said:
Walt, of course you lose one round of capacity doing that. I may have to give my mag base plate a solid whack to ensure it locks into place with a round in the chamber, but I've got rubber base plates on all but my CZ 82, so a solid whack is easy and worth that additional round.

You don't give up anything if you insert the mag with the slide open unless you're willing to go to the trouble of dropping the mag and loading another round in the mag. (Or, as at matches, have a spare mag used to chamber that first round...) The only place I've ever done that is when shooting in IDPA matches, where it's the specified standard procedure. I don't do that at the range, and if it's my carry gun I want to be damned sure that the gun is going to function properly if I need it. (I take comfort in knowing that darned few civilian shootouts ever lead to an empty mag. And, when I carry, I carry a spare loaded mag.)

The reason some guns don't feed when loaded with the slide closed is that the upward pressure of the top-most round in a full mag with a strong spring creates more force/friction than the slide can overcome. It's more common with hi-cap mags than with mags holding fewer rounds.

If you check your CZ User's Manual, you'll see that when they describe loading or reloading the weapon, they always start with an open, locked-back slide, tell you to insert the mag, and then release the slide. A full-size CZ-75B, by their reckoning has a 15 (or 16) round capacity not 15+1 or 16+1, etc.

Polishing the underside of the slide -- the flat area that slides over the top round in the magazine when a round is being loaded -- may be more useful than polishing the feed ramp... Mag spring wear will probably fix the problem over time, slightly relieiving the upward pressure a bit.
 
Polishing

Rouge cloth - impregnated with ferrous oxide already, wouldn't need to apply any polishing compound. Rouge polishing compound by itself can look like a waxy block or paste that you could load up a buffing wheel or dremel. But lots of things can go wrong when you use a high-speed dremel and aren't careful.

Polishing the feed ramp would help prevent the nose of a round from hanging up when it impacts the feed ramp as there is less friction.

Polishing the flat underside of the slide would also help too as Walt Sherrill mentioned. The case of the top round in the magazine presses up against this flat section as the slide retracts and this slows rearward slide movement a little - up until the slide is fully retracted. Then the round pops up a little more and actually makes contact with the feed lips. You can see it when you cycle the action slowly by hand. (watch your trigger finger)

Anything reducing friction to the slide during rearward and forward movement could improve "reliability", unless the problem of course lies mainly with a specific part.

If you choose to polish things, clean up is important or else polishing compound will go places where you don't want to widen tolerances. For example, people usually don't polish slide or frame rails on production guns to maintain as tight a fit as possible. Most leave the sear alone unless they know what they're doing. After i've used my rouge cloth I apply oil and wipe/scrub with a towel several times over to makes sure it is removed.
 
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