Stephen King on Gun Control

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I saw this column written by Stephen King on a proposed bill in MA to ban the sale of violent video games. I agreed with him 110% until the end of his column. He spent the entire column saying how it is not games (and presumably other non-living objects/items) that is the root of violence, and how government suppression of these things is bad and undemocratic. Then he does a 180 and blames everything on guns! Very hypocritical.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20188502,00.html

I'm no fan of videogames; pretty much gave them up in the late '70s or early '80s, when my kids used to beat me regularly at Pitfall! (hell, they used to beat me at Pong, and back then our youngest wasn't yet eligible for T-ball, let alone Little League). Sure, I've occasionally plugged quarters into one of the machines in the lobby of my local cineplex and shot at some bad guys, but I always miss the high-value targets and can never remember how to reload. As for amassing enough points to get bonus time? Forget about it. If I arrive early for the show, I'm much more apt to stick my money in the nonviolent machine that's full of stuffed toys. You probably know the one I'm talking about; you get 30 seconds to maneuver the claw, then drop it. I won a stuffed dog on one occasion doing that. Another time I won a rubber frog. When you squeezed it, the frog made a ribbit-ribbit sound and stuck out its tongue, which I enjoyed (your uncle Stevie is easily amused, he admits).

So, nope — videogames are not my thing. Nor am I some kind of raving political nutcase. But when I heard about HB 1423, which happens to be a bill pending in the Massachusetts state legislature, I still hit the roof. HB 1423 would restrict or outright ban the sale of violent videogames to anyone under the age of 18. Which means, by the way, that a 17-year-old who can get in to see Hostel: Part II would be forbidden by law from buying (or renting, one supposes) the violent but less graphic Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.

According to the proposed bill, violent videogames are pornographic and have no redeeming social merit. The vid-critics claim they exist for one reason and one reason only, so kids can experience the vicarious thrill of killing. Now, what does and doesn't have social merit is always an interesting question, one I can discuss for hours. But what makes me crazy is when politicians take it upon themselves to play surrogate parents. The results of that are usually disastrous. Not to mention undemocratic.

One of HB 1423's cosponsors is Rep. Christine E. Canavan, of Brockton. ''I think this legislation is a good idea,'' she told the Boston Herald. ''I don't want this constant barrage of violence on young minds and for them to think it is all right.'' It's a good point...except that it seems to me that the games only reflect a violence that already exists in the society.

Nor will I argue for the artistic value of stuff like God of War, or 50 Cent: Bulletproof, where looting the victims of gang violence is part of the game (players use the money to buy new Fiddy tunes and music videos — classy). I do, however, want to point out that videogames, like movies, have a ratings system, and ones with the big M or A on the box mean ''Not for you, baby brother.''



And if there's violence to be had, the kids are gonna find a way to get it, just as they'll find a way to get all-day shooters like No Country for Old Men from cable if they want. Or Girls Gone Wild, for that matter. Can parents block that stuff? You bet. But most never do. The most effective bar against what was called ''the seduction of the innocent'' when this hot-button issue centered on violent comic books 60 years ago is still parents who know and care not just about what their kids are watching and reading, but what they're doing and who they're hanging with. Parents need to have the guts to forbid material they find objectionable...and then explain why it's being forbidden. They also need to monitor their children's lives in the pop culture — which means a lot more than seeing what games they're renting down the street.

If HB 1423 becomes law, will it remain law? Doubtful. Similar legislation has been declared unconstitutional in several states. Could Massachusetts legislators find better ways to watch out for the kiddies? Man, I sure hope so, because there's a lot more to America's culture of violence than Resident Evil 4.

What really makes me insane is how eager politicians are to use the pop culture — not just videogames but TV, movies, even Harry Potter — as a whipping boy. It's easy for them, even sort of fun, because the pop-cult always hollers nice and loud. Also, it allows legislators to ignore the elephants in the living room. Elephant One is the ever-deepening divide between the haves and have-nots in this country, a situation guys like Fiddy and Snoop have been indirectly rapping about for years. Elephant Two is America's almost pathological love of guns. It was too easy for critics to claim — falsely, it turned out — that Cho Seung-Hui (the Virginia Tech killer) was a fan of Counter-Strike; I just wish to God that legislators were as eager to point out that this nutball had no problem obtaining a 9mm semiautomatic handgun. Cho used it in a rampage that resulted in the murder of 32 people. If he'd been stuck with nothing but a plastic videogame gun, he wouldn't even have been able to kill himself.

Case closed.
 
He does write horror movies and books, I am sure he would rather blame guns then his own work, restrictions would cut into his profits dont you know.
 
If he'd been stuck with nothing but a plastic videogame gun, he wouldn't even have been able to kill himself.
I had no idea that such a prolific and skilled writer could be such a blinking idiot. Surely, given his literary genre, he realizes that a gun is not the only way to kill someone or commit suicide?? Right???

King was writing about school massacres committed by alienated loners all the way back in 1974. Granted, they were committed with telekinesis, not guns, and the suicide was by arson, not guns, but still...

Gee, maybe all the school massacres since 1974 are actually Stephen King's fault, eh?
 
Think about it, how many of his stories have had people killing people with guns. I've read tons of his books. Cars going crazy, dogs going crazy, men chopping people up with axes, butcher knives, etc. Oh, wait, I beleive there was one novel where someone was done in with a long rifle from quite a distance, I'll have to look that one up. Point is, he's not a gun person.
 
I want to know something. Why is it always the actors who play "gun happy" roles (or in this case write them) who are always opposed to the 2nd amendment? Look at Segal and look at Michael Gross of Tremors I through IV

Seems backwards to me. Then again that whole D**n town is backwards.
 
Why should anyone expect him to make any sense?
Nothing he writes dose.
I wouldn't read anything he wrote, In fact i would go back and read all those legal disclaimers for all the software i have downloaded and just clicked the agree button first. And that is no BS
 
Not really sure if what he said was anti-gun...

His bit about a pathological love of guns is I think true of the people he's discussing. The people who would carry out an attack like the one at Tech. If you look at most violent criminals they love their guns. Love the false sense of being god they think a gun gives them.

The problem he pointed out was that a crazy person with a history of stalking and violence could legally buy a gun.

Now before you all tar and feather me or run me off this forum...

I believe in Guns. I've been around them my whole life, and I have this to say.

One of the professors killed at virginia tech was a friend of my dad's. He was a military vet and a true hero. When the shooting started, he locked his students in his office and went to see if he could help, and was killed in the process.

That is true bravery, going unarmed into fire, to try to save others.

Now I want you all to think about this, what if he had been armed?

I think the real two elephants are:

#1-the way our society blames everything but the person who did the deed

#2-the way our brilliant government has created so many gun free soft targets for the murderers to play in
 
His bit about a pathological love of guns is I think true of the people he's discussing.

Ah he did say America's pathological love of guns. That means all of us not just the twisted individuals that go on shooting rampages. This is not the first, nor the last time he will come out about against gun ownership. He is a well know anti gunner. Has been for decades. No matter how you spin it the truth is that he does not like guns. He has every right to not like guns, it is still a free country. The rest of your argument I tend to agree with.
 
Good point, i think i may have been projecting my own hopes of what he meant.

I'm trying to become a published author, and King is someone I admire greatly.
 
Stephen King... bah. I don't buy his novels any longer. Instead, I buy novels by Dean Koontz. He will not admit it, but Koontz comes through as a Conservative in his novels. Read a couple for yourself and you will get the same impression.
 
I think the real two elephants are:
#2-the way our brilliant government has created so many gun free soft targets for the murderers to play in

Yes. That is the intent of the government. If they take away the power of the individual, we become dependent on the state. Then the "state" becomes more powerful.

There is a word for it.... Socialism. In America, we call them Democrats.... and now, if McCain is elected, we can safely call them Republicans.
 
First, Steven King sucks as a writer. I read, I read a lot. I have tried multiple times to read King and thrown away the book in disgust each time. Even the atrocious Teeth of the Tiger by Clancy was better than King's tripe.

Second, King needs to be anti gun. I would imagine if any of the people in The Shining or Cujo were properly armed the book would be over much sooner.
 
The above post made me notice something. Why is it that in these slice and dice hrror movies (regardless of the producer screen writer) none of the people are armed. It would seem to be such a simple answer rather then run around screaming.

Then again as I said earlier. That whole damn town is F-ed up.
 
Keep in mind that he is a writer of fiction. It comes as no surprise that his stance on firearms has no connection with reality.
 
Stephen King has done a lot of good things for the state of Maine, but he's wrong on this one. And you'd think that he'd realize that his home state has more guns than people, and that we average less than twenty murders a year.
 
I definately don't think he's wrong about cho getting a gun. He should not have been able to, due to his mental history. Some of the posters in here kill me. Just because someone is not for guns doesn't mean you should hate on them. Makes you as annoying as the piss and moan antigunners who don't seem to have any idea what they are trying to accomplish. And, just something to think about, you can be a liberal and be for the right to bear arms. I could give a **** if Koontz is a conservative, he might be against guns. I think that if you stop worrying about the firearms aspect of King's letter/essay, he had a lot of good things to say. But, I suppose a lot of people on these forums think that we should follow the "conservative" lobbyists and censor videogames. Or, would that be a liberal movement, I'm not sure. Someone show me which box to put it in.:barf:
Mr. Musketeer,
I like many of Stephen King's novels and to say they are trash is your right, but more of an opinion on content than skill. I believe his novels are well crafted and he is a great storyteller. I enjoy some of Clancy's stuff (his games more than novels lately), but i find the story's less thought provoking than King's. Both are great writers with so many books I almost want to dismiss them as commercialized BS, but I still enjoy them. Do you really think he "sucks as a writer."
 
I agree that Cho should have been unable to get a gun. His mental illness record was of the sort that does not mix well with guns.
 
"Stephen King has done a lot of good things for the state of Maine, but he's wrong on this one. And you'd think that he'd realize that his home state has more guns than people, and that we average less than twenty murders a year."

So what exactly is he wrong about? It is true that many of us Americans love our guns. We are on this forum and, I for one, do really enjoy my guns. It is a hobby and passion akin to the one I have for cars. I like to appreciate them as art and tinker with them as pieces of mechanical craftsmanship. So yes we do have a culture of love for guns. He described it as almost pathological and I think this isn't too far off. It may be an exaggeration, but it is a description that would never be debated if he were speaking of "America's almost pathological love of cars." Get what I'm saying?
Now, on it's own, this is not a problem as far as I'm concerned. My enjoyment of firearms is a healthy one (as long as I don't go broke). It becomes a problem when it is combined with people like Cho. Stephen King has a problem with the fact that a person with a history of mental illness, a documented history no less, got a gun with zero problems. I have a problem with this too. I believe that when a person that has been hospitalized for suicidal, angry, depressive, psychotic tendencies, they should be, at the very least, more closely screened before receiving a firearm. Our background check system failed us and it should be improved.
I believe in our right to bear arms. In order for us to continue to exercise this right we have the responsibility to keep firearms in the hands of those who would use them to protect life and liberty and out of the hands of those who would so carelessly take those things. Cho-seung hui was not fit to bear arms. I wish someone would have known better.
 
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