States looking to Outlawing Ammo-Another way to ban guns.

You don't have to ban ammo altogether, all you have to do is ban the manufacture or possession of primers. Of course the great scientific minds would just come up with a new (and maybe better) form of ignition. I LOVE AMERICA!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NationalCCW:
Proposals in Los Angeles to ban ammo are finding favor in other states. For more news go to the "frog icon".
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I don't this could even fly in Kalifornia...
Ammo is part of "arms", is it not?
 
Same was said about guns in general.

Just take most gun control laws and replace "gun" with "ammo".

Of course, the anti's won't notice that the hobbyist with 10,000 rounds of military-caliber +P hollowpoints is in fact harmless, while the thug with a single .22LR round (and gun) is the dangerous one.

"I'm not afraid of the man who wants ten nuclear bombs. I'm terrified of the man who wants only one."
 
Question How many rounds of ammunition have been sold in this country in the last two years? I read where cheaper than dirt ships a quarter million rounds a day. They are not one of the bigger sellers either. Banning ammo now is in some respects like "closing the gates after the cows have gone". I Have been at gun shows and seen people carring it out by the case.

kjm
someone has, it has an electric ignition system.
 
kjm, considering that some 1 BILLION rounds of .22LR are expended every year, I'd say the numbers are way up.

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On a positive note, an ammo ban would go over like a lead ballon in Alabama,Georgia,Texas,Arkansas,Louisiana and Mississippi.

These States enjoy the revenue that Hunters bring each year. One would probably be amazed to see what is generated for 60 days each year in Arkansas. We Duck Hunt there and I assure there is big money spent on shotguns and ammunition.

Certainly, this is no reason to be complacent. I am thankful for the South. If it were not for the ingrained tendency of these States to resist infringment from the Federal government, I assure you we would have alot less freedom-----period. As a Southerner, I am not proud of the obvious past and this is not meant to belittle anyone from other parts of the country, but thank God for Bob Barr of GA,Ron Paul of TX,Phil Gramm of TX, Saxby Chambliss of GA and a host of others who are remaining steadfast on the issues regarding personal freedom.

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Senator Moynihan from NY introduced these in 1993,1995. 1999 and resubmitted them again this month .....

01. //www.shadeslanding.com/firearms/fed_bills/s.119.txt
Real Cost of Handgun Ammunition Act of 1995 (Introduced in the Senate)


02. //www.senate.gov/~moynihan/statemnt/vcrimre.htm THE VIOLENT CRIME REDUCTION ACT AND THE REAL COST OF HANDGUN AMMUNITION ACT OF 1997


03. //www.sspba.org/legislative_updates.htm

S. 152 - The "Real Cost of Destructive Ammunition Act" was introduced by Sen. Daniel Moynihan (D-NY) on January 19, 1999. The bill would amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to increase the tax on handgun ammunition and to impose the special occupational tax and registration requirements on importers and manufacturers of handgun ammunition. There are no cosponsors. On January 19, 1999, it was read twice and referred to the Finance Committee.

S. 153 - The "Destructive Ammunition Prohibition Act of 1999" was introduced by Sen. Daniel Moynihan (D-NY) on January 19, 1999. It would prohibit the use of certain ammunition. There are no cosponsors. On January 19, 1999, it was read twice and referred to the Judiciary Committee.

S. 154 - The "Handgun Ammunition Control Act of 1999" was introduced by Sen. Daniel Moynihan (D-NY) on January 19, 1999. It would amend Title 18 of the U.S. Code with respect to the licensing of ammunition manufacturers. There are no cosponsors. On January 19, 1999, it was read twice and referred to the Judiciary Committee.

S. 155 - The "Violent Crime Control Act of 1999" was introduced by Sen. Daniel Moynihan (D-NY) on January 19, 1999. It would provide for the collection and dissemination of information on injuries, death, and family dissolution due to bullet-related violence and would require the keeping of records with respect to dispositions of ammunition. It would increase taxes on certain bullets as well. There are no cosponsors. On January 19, 1999, it was read twice and referred to the Finance Committee.

S. 156 - The "Violent Crime Reduction Act of 1999," introduced by Sen. Daniel Moynihan (D-NY) on January 19, 1999, would amend Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code to prohibit the manufacture, transfer, or importation of .25 caliber and .32 caliber and 9 millimeter ammunition. There are no cosponsors. On January 19, 1999, it was read twice and referred to the Judiciary Committee.

S. 157 - The "Real Cost of Handgun Ammunition Act of 1999" was introduced by Sen. Daniel Moynihan (D-NY) on January 19, 1999. The bill would amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to tax 9 millimeter, .25 caliber, and .32 caliber bullets. There are no cosponsors. On January 19, 1999, it was read twice and referred to the Finance Committee.

S. 158 - The "Law Enforcement Officers Protection Amendment Act of 1999" was introduced by Sen. Daniel Moynihan (D-NY) on January 19, 1999. The bill would amend Title 18 of the U.S. Code to regulate the manufacture, importation, and sale of ammunition capable of piercing police body armor. There are no cosponsors. On January 19, 1999, it was read twice and referred to the Judiciary Committee.
 
For a guy as smart as DP Moynihan, he sure is stupid. No co-sponsors? Really? Could that be because it's defeated every single time, and has never stood a chance of passing? Guess he hopes that some day, no one will notice the bill or most critters will not be present for the vote...
 
What's not passable today can easily be so tomorrow, depending upon how the sheeple are primed for it and how it's packaged. If it's the "Ammunition Tax"--no; if it's the "For the Sake of the Children Banning the Implements of Terrorists and Deranged Persons Who Shoot-up Schools Act" and there's another rash of schools shooting to accompany it--Yes.

I think I'll stock up on components and take up reloading.
 
RMc,

Reloading your own sounds like a good idea.
But if the Antis manage to restrict or eliminate ammo, they'll be smart enough to put the kibosh on handloading as well.

...chipping away a little at a time until there's nothing left...

Ain't America wonderful?


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This would clearly violate the Constitution because the second Ammendment's "well regulated millitia" must posses ammunition. If you read the militia laws in effect at the time of the Revolutionary War and the adoption of the Bill of Rights you will see that all able bodied men 16 years old or older must have in their possesion not only a musket but a specified amount of lead balls and powder and are subject to fines andimprisonment if they don't.
 
Hardball, if you check out the federal gun control laws (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/ch44.html) you'll find that, for all intents and purposes, ammunition is treated the same as guns. Earlier this year, Klinton was musing about background checks for powder. I went out and bought many, many pounds just in case.

Dick
 
That is not all…. These are also up for review…..


H.R. 920 - Introduced by Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI) on March 2, 1999. A bill to expand the powers of the Secretary of the Treasury to regulate the manufacture, distribution, and sale of firearms and ammunition, and to expand the jurisdiction of the Secretary to include firearm products and non-powder firearms. There are no cosponsors. On March 2, 1999, it was referred to the Judiciary Committee. It was referred to the Subcommittee on Crime on March 10th.

S. 534 - Sen. Robert Torricelli (D-NJ) on March 4, 1999, introduced this bill which would expand the powers of the Secretary of the Treasury to regulate the manufacture, distribution, and sale of firearms and ammunition. It would also expand the Secretary's jurisdiction to include firearm products and nonpowder firearms. Currently there are no cosponsors. The bill was refereed to the Judiciary Committee on March 4th.

H.R. 35 - Introduced by Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) on January 6, 1999. The bill would prohibit the possession or transfer of junk guns, also known as Saturday Night Specials. There are no cosponsors. On January 6, 1999, it was referred to the House Judiciary Committee. On February 25, 1999, it was referred to the Crime Subcommittee

H.J.R. 17 - Introduced by Rep. Jose Serrano (D-NY) on January 6, 1999. A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President. There is 1 cosponsor. On January 6, 1999, it was referred to the House Judiciary Committee. On February 25, 1999, it was referred to the Constitution Subcommittee.

H.R. 347 - The "Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 1999," introduced by Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD) on January 19, 1999, would protect the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right. There are 38 cosponsors. On January 19, 1999 it was referred to the House Judiciary Committee. On February 25, 1999, it was referred to the Crime Subcommittee.

S. 149 - The "Child Safety Lock Act of 1999," which was introduced by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI) on January 19, 1999, would amend Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code to require a child safety lock in connection with the transfer of a handgun. There are 4 cosponsors. On January 19, 1999, it was read twice and referred to the Judiciary Committee.

H.R. 515 - The "Child Handgun Injury Prevention Act" was introduced by Rep. Julia Carson (D-IN) on February 3, 1999. It would prevent children from injuring themselves with handguns. There are 34 cosponsors. On February 3, 1999, it was referred to the Judiciary Committee, and in addition to the Commerce Committee. On March 1, 1999, it was referred to the Telecommunication, Trade, and Consumer Protection Subcommittee.

H.R. 724 - The "Gun Buy Back Partnership Grant Act of 1999," introduced by Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI) on February 11, 1999, would assist State and local governments in conducting community gun buy back programs. There is 1 cosponsor. On February 11, 1999, it was referred to the House Judiciary Committee. On February 25, 1999, it was referred to the Crime Subcommittee.

H.R. 735 - The "Gun Retention Act of 1999," which was introduced by Rep. Bob Ney (R-OH) on February 11, 1999, would amend Title 18, United States Code, to provide specific penalties for taking a firearm from a Federal law enforcement officer. There are 13 cosponsors. On February 11, 1999 it was referred to the House Judiciary Committee. On February 25, 1999 it was referred to the Subcommittee on Crime.

S. 193 - The "American Handgun Standards Act of 1999" was introduced by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) on January 19, 1999. The bill would apply the same quality and safety standards to domestically manufactured handguns that are currently applied to imported handguns. There are 2 cosponsors. On January 19, 1999, it was read twice and referred to the Judiciary Committee

S. 407 - The "Stop Gun Trafficking Act of 1999" was introduced by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) on February 10, 1999. The bill would reduce gun trafficking by prohibiting bulk purchases of handguns. There are 9 cosponsors. On February 10, 1999, it was read twice and referred to the Judiciary Committee.

H.R. 1032 - Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA) introduced, on March 9, 1999, a bill that would prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages resulting from the misuse of their products from others. Currently there are 40 cosponsors to the bill. It was referred to the Judiciary Committee on March 9th.

H.R. 1037 - Introduced by Rep. Diana DeGette (D-CO) on March 9, 1999, the bill would ban the importation of large capacity ammunition feeding devices and would extend the ban on transferring these feeders to those that were manufactured before the ban became law. Currently the bill has 23 cosponsors and it was referred to the Judiciary Committee on March 9th.

H.R. 1049 - Introduced on March 10, 1999, by Rep. Rod Blagojevich (D-IL), the bill would authorize an individual or the estate of an individual who has suffered damages from the discharge of a firearm to bring a civil action in a district court against the manufacturer, distributor, or retailer of the firearm for such damages if the firearm had been in interstate commerce and the firearm's manufacturer, distributor, or retailer was negligent in the manufacture, distribution or sale of that firearm. The bill would also bring such action on behalf of the political subdivisions and State in which the individual resides to recover the law enforcement costs and healthcare arising out of the discharge of the firearm. There are no cosponsors to the bill and it was referred to the House Judiciary Committee on March 10th.

S. 443 - The "Gun Show Accountability Act," which was introduced by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) on February 23, 1999. There are 3 cosponsors. On February 23, 1999, it was read twice and referred to the Judiciary Committee.

S. 457 - The "Permanent Brady Waiting Period Act of 1999," which was introduced by Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL) on February 24, 1999, would amend section 922(t) of Title 18, United States Code, to require the reporting of information to the chief law enforcement officer of the buyer's residence and to require a minimum 72-hour waiting period before the purchase of a handgun, and for other purposes. There are 7 cosponsors. On February 24, 1999, it was read twice and referred to the Judiciary Committee.

H.R. 1062 -Introduced by Rep. John Porter (R-IL) on March 10, 1999, the bill would amend section 922 (t) of Title 18 of the US Code to require the reporting of information to the chief law enforcement officer of the buyer's residence. It would also require a minimum 72-hour waiting period before the purchase of a handgun. The bill currently has 3 cosponsors and it was referred to the Judiciary Committee on March 10th.

H.R. 1086 - Introduced by Rep. Harold Ford, Jr. (D-TN) on March 11, 1999, the bill would reform the manner in which firearms are manufactured and distributed by providing an incentive to State and local governments to bring claims for the rising costs of gun violence in their communities. On March 11th it was referred to the House Judiciary Committee and it currently has 14 cosponsors.

S. 534 - Sen. Robert Torricelli (D-NJ) on March 4, 1999, introduced this bill which would expand the powers of the Secretary of the Treasury to regulate the manufacture, distribution, and sale of firearms and ammunition. It would also expand the Secretary's jurisdiction to include firearm products and nonpowder firearms. Currently there are no cosponsors. The bill was refereed to the Judiciary Committee on March 4th.

S. 560 - The "Gun Industry Accountability Act" was introduced by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) on March 8, 1999. The bill would reform the manner in which guns are manufactured and distributed by providing an incentive to State and local governments to bring claims for the rising costs of gun violence in their communities. On March 8th the bill was read twice and then referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee. It currently has 3 sponsors

S. 594 - The "Large Capacity Ammunition Magazine Import Ban Act of 1999," was introduced by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) on March 11, 1999. The bill would ban the importation of large capacity ammunition feeding devices. Currently the bill has no cosponsors and was referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 11th.

H.J.R. 5 - Introduced by Rep. Jo Ann Emerson (R-MO) on January 6, 1999. A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States authorizing the Congress and the States to prohibit the act of desecration of the flag of the United States and to set criminal penalties for that act. There is 1 cosponsor. On January 6, 1999, it was referred to the House Judiciary Committee. On February 25, 1999, it was referred to the Constitution Subcommittee.
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there are also a couple on the regulation of black powder firearms... they are to be added to the current laws and treated the same as any other firearm, including needing a form 4473 and background check.... but I lost that link, so when I find it again, I will report.....



[This message has been edited by CHEMNCO917 (edited January 28, 2000).]
 
CHEMN, Talk about depressing replys. All of us should take up reloading and stock up on primers first and then powder. Though powders could be improvised (not at all easily) but primers would be a pain in the ""
Bullets are every where, for instance wheel weights on car rims, ect.ect.
 
Of course, the OTHER consequence of ammo being owtlawed is that much less of it will be used up for practice. The meager stash of .38spl I have won't last me more than half-dozen range trips, but would be enough for an awful lot of ambushes (say, five shots per enemy, take their guns and ammo, move on to the next).
 
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