I appologize right off for the length of the attached but not for its content. It's time for each & everyone of us to stand up, be counted & no more deleted names, #s, etc.
Maybe use this thread to post effective letters to the editor, electeds, whatever. ?
Any comments to be more effective would be most welcome.
AA (damn, it was already took when I signed up /Labgrade)
You got my name & home phone # .... will still use "labgrade" as I actually got called by that on the street the other day ... kinda proud of that.
Sent this out today to some other fellow (& fellettes ) gun nuts. Colorado's legislature will convene 1/5 & according to reports, the first items on the agenda will be gun control now that we have all had a break from the Columbine Tragedy (it's been in the local news everyday). We can now enact "common sense" gun control. Never mind that The Guvness himself has publically stated that none of the proposed legislation would have prevented what happened at Columbine.
There's to be 5 main proposals which I'm just too PO'd right now to list. You can catch the drift of some from the 2nd letter.
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This went out to the nuts .... God bless you all!
"This sent in reply to some queries back & forth between myself and MIke Cileitti (Mike@cologop.org) who is the Colorado GoP Political Director. His job is to ensure re-election of Colorado's currently-in-office GoP (duh) guys & gals. Mike does seem sympathetic to my views, but, his job is as stated above - 'nuff said.
Please, forward to everybody in CO on all your gunlists, whatever. Personally, I've had it with our weenie Guv. Below this "conversation is the letter I sent out to The Guv earlier today. Feel free to post it as well - leave my name & #s on if you like.
Time to stand up and be counted.
AA/labgrade
Sorry, as much as an a-hole can be ;-), for the length ..."
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Albertus [mailto:aa1@rmi.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 3:13 PM
To: Mike Ciletti
Subject: RE: gun control legislation
I'm getting the standard automatic "we've received your letter & thanks - don't send attachments, etc."
Other than that, nothing. After only the first letter did I receive a printed reply saying pretty much the party line (these days) re the school violence summit findings, etc. Nothing since. Don't expect it either - I'm on the Hot List as I express a view not popular with the current state administration's latest stance.
Gotta tell ya, Mike. Plenty pissed off people. The gun show background check will be extended to all private sales if passed. It won't do hoot to stop violence & next year, we'll all be back at the same - nature of the beast - incrementalism because, just as you know, the Governor knows - none of this legislation will stop a damned thing. It makes us all (well, not all) feel good as if we're doing something.
I, for one, will never register a firearm and will never again buy any registered transaction firearm. I've bought plenty through normal FFL channels & have had my name, etc. duly recorded on the 4473. I'm on record as a purchaser of several firearms. And, being so disgusted with the system, I've sold most all - private sales where transactions are still up to honest individuals who know & respect one another. Didn't even get or receive receipts, etc. as a steady look in the eye and a handshake suffices for honest men. In fact, I'm going to buy quite a few more firearms and legally flood the market (best I can) with completely untraceable firearms (to any reputable person, BTW).
Politicians lie their ass off the get elected & just get better at it to remain there. I believed Mr. Owens when he said he would stand up for the constitution (CO & Federal) - I discussed issues with him live on talk radio, voted my conscience gladly (for him), watched him take that oath & he's rolled like a cheap whore. He allows any of this crap to go through - ANYONE (Dem or Repub) who runs against him gets my monetary, vocal support (I am hot on the keyboard - have twitchy fingers these days ;-) & plenty of time). I am posting a topic on an internet forum board, I am sending off a letter to all on my GUNCONTROL address book (in excess of 200 people who also have their own) & I hope to do about a 1/2 hour on talk radio this afternoon detailing Mr. Owens' past & present re his stances ...
... wait, Mike, the wind's blowing and I haven't heard an official statement from The Guv. How strange.
I have completely had it with "our electeds" and am absolutely disgusted with their attitudes. Being re-elected is their only consideration - has not a whit to do with any truths. Won't they stand up and state the facts; there's bad people out there, they do bad things to each other and us, we can't stop it through legislation.
How about a summit that consists of good street cops (those that aren't appointed political pukes - they, at least, trust the law-abiding citizen & count us as allies), maybe a few of us law-abiding folks. Perhaps listen to those of us who elected him rather than the feel-good-fuzzy idiots.
Many are saying the Republicans are worse than the Dems as the Repubs lie - we know the Dems are gonna screw us. Many believe that about the Repubs now, too; only we are moreso disgusted by the Repubs because we once trusted them
Mike, you're the Colorado GoP Political Director & as I understand, your job is to ensure any & all GoP electeds' re-election. Pass on this letter if you want. My electeds will get it in due time anyway.
No more bull**** words. We want demonstrated actions that serve the community; not this pap that does nothing but piss off your constituency.
AA
Alan Albertus
(970) 667-7256 - anytime
---------------------------------------------
The Honorable Bill Owens
136 State Capitol Building
Denver, CO 80203
Subject: No Gun Control this year
Dear Sir:
Although no legislation has yet been written or proposed, I am concerned as to the course this year’s legislation appears to be taking. All local papers report that there will be (at least ) five new proposals considered in this years’ Legislature.
You yourself, Sir, are quoted as saying that none of the newer proposals would have stopped the tragedy at Columbine.
What is it that you hope to accomplish?
18 year-olds are currently banned from purchasing a handgun by federal law. However, they may vote, enter into all legal contracts, and die in the service of our country. A state law is redundant and a slap in their face.
Background checks are already performed at gun show as they are through any FFL transaction. The "loophole fix" will, as we all know, require background checks on private sales at gun shows. An interesting proposition, as currently there is no method in place for a private individual to gain CBI access to perform such a check. Too, since this "doesn’t go far enough," it will create another "loophole" for those private sales through newspapers or "transfers" to sons, daughters, wives, and close acquaintances. I’m certain that next years’ legislation will close this (and any other) "loopholes" which are overlooked in this session.
"Safe Storage" legislation isn’t. Those who are responsible have already taken steps to ensure that their firearms won’t fall into unsafe hands, and no legislation will accommodate those who aren’t. And how will this legislation affect those persons who will need, in the future, a firearm to protect themselves and loved ones from criminal assault?
We lawful firearm owners are continually required to "compromise" but never get anything in return except a continual incremental erosion of our rights.
I have seen no mention of a proposed State Preemption Bill which would rid Colorado of Denver’s draconian "car confiscation law."
Why not propose some actual compromise legislation that protects and enhances the rights of the law-abiding citizens? Tie some pro-gun owner measures into each anti-gun and I suspect that you would have more support from the general populace as we may the be able to reach some consensus. That, after all is the definition of compromise.
Sincerely,
Alan Albertus
3608 Ranch Road
Loveland, CO
(970) 667-7256
CC: Doug Dean, Mike Celitti, Bill Kaufman, Stan Matsunaka
Maybe use this thread to post effective letters to the editor, electeds, whatever. ?
Any comments to be more effective would be most welcome.
AA (damn, it was already took when I signed up /Labgrade)
You got my name & home phone # .... will still use "labgrade" as I actually got called by that on the street the other day ... kinda proud of that.
Sent this out today to some other fellow (& fellettes ) gun nuts. Colorado's legislature will convene 1/5 & according to reports, the first items on the agenda will be gun control now that we have all had a break from the Columbine Tragedy (it's been in the local news everyday). We can now enact "common sense" gun control. Never mind that The Guvness himself has publically stated that none of the proposed legislation would have prevented what happened at Columbine.
There's to be 5 main proposals which I'm just too PO'd right now to list. You can catch the drift of some from the 2nd letter.
---------------------------------------------
This went out to the nuts .... God bless you all!
"This sent in reply to some queries back & forth between myself and MIke Cileitti (Mike@cologop.org) who is the Colorado GoP Political Director. His job is to ensure re-election of Colorado's currently-in-office GoP (duh) guys & gals. Mike does seem sympathetic to my views, but, his job is as stated above - 'nuff said.
Please, forward to everybody in CO on all your gunlists, whatever. Personally, I've had it with our weenie Guv. Below this "conversation is the letter I sent out to The Guv earlier today. Feel free to post it as well - leave my name & #s on if you like.
Time to stand up and be counted.
AA/labgrade
Sorry, as much as an a-hole can be ;-), for the length ..."
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Albertus [mailto:aa1@rmi.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 3:13 PM
To: Mike Ciletti
Subject: RE: gun control legislation
I'm getting the standard automatic "we've received your letter & thanks - don't send attachments, etc."
Other than that, nothing. After only the first letter did I receive a printed reply saying pretty much the party line (these days) re the school violence summit findings, etc. Nothing since. Don't expect it either - I'm on the Hot List as I express a view not popular with the current state administration's latest stance.
Gotta tell ya, Mike. Plenty pissed off people. The gun show background check will be extended to all private sales if passed. It won't do hoot to stop violence & next year, we'll all be back at the same - nature of the beast - incrementalism because, just as you know, the Governor knows - none of this legislation will stop a damned thing. It makes us all (well, not all) feel good as if we're doing something.
I, for one, will never register a firearm and will never again buy any registered transaction firearm. I've bought plenty through normal FFL channels & have had my name, etc. duly recorded on the 4473. I'm on record as a purchaser of several firearms. And, being so disgusted with the system, I've sold most all - private sales where transactions are still up to honest individuals who know & respect one another. Didn't even get or receive receipts, etc. as a steady look in the eye and a handshake suffices for honest men. In fact, I'm going to buy quite a few more firearms and legally flood the market (best I can) with completely untraceable firearms (to any reputable person, BTW).
Politicians lie their ass off the get elected & just get better at it to remain there. I believed Mr. Owens when he said he would stand up for the constitution (CO & Federal) - I discussed issues with him live on talk radio, voted my conscience gladly (for him), watched him take that oath & he's rolled like a cheap whore. He allows any of this crap to go through - ANYONE (Dem or Repub) who runs against him gets my monetary, vocal support (I am hot on the keyboard - have twitchy fingers these days ;-) & plenty of time). I am posting a topic on an internet forum board, I am sending off a letter to all on my GUNCONTROL address book (in excess of 200 people who also have their own) & I hope to do about a 1/2 hour on talk radio this afternoon detailing Mr. Owens' past & present re his stances ...
... wait, Mike, the wind's blowing and I haven't heard an official statement from The Guv. How strange.
I have completely had it with "our electeds" and am absolutely disgusted with their attitudes. Being re-elected is their only consideration - has not a whit to do with any truths. Won't they stand up and state the facts; there's bad people out there, they do bad things to each other and us, we can't stop it through legislation.
How about a summit that consists of good street cops (those that aren't appointed political pukes - they, at least, trust the law-abiding citizen & count us as allies), maybe a few of us law-abiding folks. Perhaps listen to those of us who elected him rather than the feel-good-fuzzy idiots.
Many are saying the Republicans are worse than the Dems as the Repubs lie - we know the Dems are gonna screw us. Many believe that about the Repubs now, too; only we are moreso disgusted by the Repubs because we once trusted them
Mike, you're the Colorado GoP Political Director & as I understand, your job is to ensure any & all GoP electeds' re-election. Pass on this letter if you want. My electeds will get it in due time anyway.
No more bull**** words. We want demonstrated actions that serve the community; not this pap that does nothing but piss off your constituency.
AA
Alan Albertus
(970) 667-7256 - anytime
---------------------------------------------
The Honorable Bill Owens
136 State Capitol Building
Denver, CO 80203
Subject: No Gun Control this year
Dear Sir:
Although no legislation has yet been written or proposed, I am concerned as to the course this year’s legislation appears to be taking. All local papers report that there will be (at least ) five new proposals considered in this years’ Legislature.
You yourself, Sir, are quoted as saying that none of the newer proposals would have stopped the tragedy at Columbine.
What is it that you hope to accomplish?
18 year-olds are currently banned from purchasing a handgun by federal law. However, they may vote, enter into all legal contracts, and die in the service of our country. A state law is redundant and a slap in their face.
Background checks are already performed at gun show as they are through any FFL transaction. The "loophole fix" will, as we all know, require background checks on private sales at gun shows. An interesting proposition, as currently there is no method in place for a private individual to gain CBI access to perform such a check. Too, since this "doesn’t go far enough," it will create another "loophole" for those private sales through newspapers or "transfers" to sons, daughters, wives, and close acquaintances. I’m certain that next years’ legislation will close this (and any other) "loopholes" which are overlooked in this session.
"Safe Storage" legislation isn’t. Those who are responsible have already taken steps to ensure that their firearms won’t fall into unsafe hands, and no legislation will accommodate those who aren’t. And how will this legislation affect those persons who will need, in the future, a firearm to protect themselves and loved ones from criminal assault?
We lawful firearm owners are continually required to "compromise" but never get anything in return except a continual incremental erosion of our rights.
I have seen no mention of a proposed State Preemption Bill which would rid Colorado of Denver’s draconian "car confiscation law."
Why not propose some actual compromise legislation that protects and enhances the rights of the law-abiding citizens? Tie some pro-gun owner measures into each anti-gun and I suspect that you would have more support from the general populace as we may the be able to reach some consensus. That, after all is the definition of compromise.
Sincerely,
Alan Albertus
3608 Ranch Road
Loveland, CO
(970) 667-7256
CC: Doug Dean, Mike Celitti, Bill Kaufman, Stan Matsunaka