SSSHHHHH! New NAA Calibered Guardian!

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Eric Larsen

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I spoke with a person, nameless, at NAA recently. It seems they have a new Guardian to be released this year with a new caliber.
Picture a .380 cartridge with a .32 bullet...necked down for a little or alot more velocity. Sounded pretty promising. Like a mini/pocket Tokerav. Sorry to you Sig guys...the Tok beat you guys to the necked down thing by about.......1/2 of a Century.
Thought you all would like to know....I may just have to take a close look at this little shooter.
Shoot well
 
I "think" I like this idea....

But would a very fast.32 be better than a moderately fast (Cor Bon) .380?
 
Ed got his first opportunity to test a 'production' batch of .32NAA cartridges from our development partner, Peter Pi at CorBon. We finally have some preliminary results to share with you.

Earlier, Peter shared with us that this new cartridge generated 21,500 p.s.i. and pushed a 60 gr. Hornady JHP 1453 ft./sec. from a 4" test barrel, 1222 from the Guardian itself. Based on this weekend's tests, Ed has indicated is that expansion is 'outstanding'. While the bullet comes-up fractionally short of 9" in bare gelatin, both expansion and penetration through heavy denim are particularly impressive. You can probably expect this to be our story line. While there may be some incremental tweaking between here and there, when we're finished with the tests, you can expect us to publish all the results and photos, and you can make your own comparisons and reach your own conclusions.
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Dang... I am going to have to go down to NAA and give them a visit! That does seem rather impressive... For a Mouse Gun!
 
Thanks for the replies. I was never told it was a secret...yet was never told it wasnt. :D I would love to see the final results from a production gun....should be interesting.
Shoot well
 
Necked-down .380?

For some reason, I had visions of an overloaded .32ACP becoming the .32NAA. A few seconds of searching NAA site yielded this, though:

In essence, the .25NAA is a .25 caliber bullet seated in a 'necked-down' .32ACP case (a la .357SIG), designed to be fired from a slightly reconfigured .32ACP Guardian. Similarly, the .32ACP stems from a 'necked-down' .380ACP cartridge, designed to be fired from the .380ACP Guardian. It is our expectation (and has been our limited, preliminary experience), that each of these cartridges with certain bullets will deliver quantifiable ballistic results (velocity, transfer of energy, penetration, expansion, Fuller Index, etc.) superior to the original cartridge from which they were spawned. We further expect that the shooting characteristics of the firearm (felt recoil) will reflect the smaller caliber of the bullet being fired ­ in other words, 'better than' .380 results with 'less than' .32 feedback.
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One wonders whether they have the stones over at Keltec to rush a replacement barrel in .25 NAA into production for the P-32. They could pull off a redux of the way Ruger beat S&W into production with a .44mag, although S&W had actually developed the cartridge.
 
Not really a secret since they were talking about it and showing off prototypes at SHOT show in early February. :)

Groovy idea though.
 
Kel-Tec: R U listening??

I personally am gratified that there are so many advancements in the smaller calibers for self-defense.

There are SO MANY little hand-cannons out there that enterprising gun manufacturers have developed. Just look at the size of some of these 9 mm's being offered.

I think we're just seeing the "tip of the iceberg."

Ain't tek-nol-o-gee wunnerful??
 
One wonders whether they have the stones over at Keltec to rush a replacement barrel in .25 NAA into production for the P-32. They could pull off a redux of the way Ruger beat S&W into production with a .44mag, although S&W had actually developed the cartridge.
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...or the way Glock scooped them with the .40 cal G22/G23. That's gotta suck for the lads from Springfield; they need to find the mole in their R&D department. :D
 
One wonders whether they have the stones over at Keltec to rush a replacement barrel in .25 NAA into production for the P-32
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I brushed that thought aside as I didn't take much interest in the idea of pushing a 45gr .25 caliber slug out of a necked-down .32acp case.

Then I took a look at the possibilities.

A 45gr bullet at 1400 FPS delivers 196 FPE. The .32acp Cor-bons currently residing in my P32 reportedly push its 60gr slug at 1050 FPS yielding 146 FPE. A 50 FPE difference certainly makes one sit up and think, especially if considered in the realm of "mouse guns" that usually fall well short of the 200 FPE mark.

But then, with the P32's short barrel, I would think 1200 FPS would be a more realistic figure, giving 144 FPE... similar to the .32's Cor-bon load and not much to raise hell about.

It would be interesting to see if Kel-tec does give it a go and see what comes of it.
 
All the mole would have to do is read TFL and go to an occasional Shot Show.....:D
I will take the necked down .380-32.....even better, somebody make a pocket Tokarev with a current JHP bullet instead of the warp speed FMJ and I will be the first inline :D :D
Shoot well
 
Well, I just came back from NAA. And i've exchanged emails with Sandy, NAA's President. While I was down there at NAA I had a little conversation with Ken, the General Manager.
Ken was telling me that the .32 NAA has the same energy as a standard loaded 9mm. That is a very bold claim, considering that a standard 9mm FMJ has the ability to leap tall buildings according to 9MM purists. The guys at NAA are all very good people and Ken showed me into his office and handed me one of the .32NAA rounds. Just what you think it looks like. A .380 that is necked down to .32. It looks like a mini .357Sig. And if it does hit like a 9mm, then that rounds has a lot of potential. In his office there was about 8 boxes of this .32NAA... the familiar blue and white Cor-Bon boxes that is.

He also showed me the other round... a .32 necked down to .25... but I was not impressed by that one at all. I'd have to look at the numbers and see what it can really do.

Let's dust off my old Defensive Power Factor formula and see what this .32NAA load does: (For those wondering, DPF is a simple tool for making nothing more than a compairison between loads. That's all it is. The formula is bullet weight in grains, times caliber, times velocity, divided by 1,000.)
60 grain slug of .32 caliber at 1222FPS. This shows a DPF of 23.5.
A standard 9mm loads:
9mm 115@1250 = 63.7
9mm 147@1000 = 52.1
So Ken's claims that it hits like a 9mm is not quite accurate. You have the same velocity as a standard 9mm... but 1/2 the energy... due to a smaller and lighter load.
However, compairing this load to other .32 loads, you do see an impressive increase in energy. In fact, for a mouse gun - it has good roar to it. The hollow points I looked at gave an impression that it would indeed make a good deep concealment option or as a second or third back up gun.

This friday I should have a press sample of the gun and ammo for some hands on testing.
 
I ain't too bright.

Y'all gotta help me a little. Could you please explain "necked down"? Seems to me that since .32 and .380 describe calibers, then that should be a pretty constant measurement. Or is there some sort of difference in the casing? :confused:
 
You take the case for a standard .380 and "Neck Down" the mouth of the case to .32. This creates a bottle necked cartridge where the case is fatter than the slug it fires.
 
I see NOTHING on their website about these two rounds - I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed though. I'll wait for the Rorhbaugh 9x19 "mousegun" - then maybe someone will neck 9x19 to .32 -where will it all end? :)

Edited: Ahh, it's under "Sandy's Soapbox" - right where I'd expect discussion of new cartridges to be - not.
 
Futo Ino -
- then maybe someone will neck 9x19 to .32 -where will it all end?
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I suspect it'll stop with the .17/50BMG. I hear that one's "da bomb!" ;)

But this .32 NAA does sound VERY interesting. But I think I'll wait to see what pans out with it - I'm not one to jump on the band wagon just cause its rolling. I like to see how steep the hill its going down is first...
 
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