Springfield XD pricing

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Torquemada

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I did a search on Davidson's, and had the following results for local online retailers:

$419, $426, $435 and $521!!!!

Unfortunately, I saw the $521 first and fell out of my chair! Most likely, it's just a typo and the price is actually $421, but if it's not, I don't think that store will sell many of them...since MSRP is $489.

For $300, I'd buy the HS2000
For $400, I'd consider the XD
For $500+, there's too many other choices

Someone want to explain again the value-add of Springfield's name? :D
 
Torquemada:

As pointed out by railroader, the price increase isn't very dramatic if you shop around. In most places, the HS2000's $269 introductory price has been gone for some time. Most places recently had it listed from the low to mid $300s.

As for the value-add that Springfield brings, they've done or are doing a number of things that the original importer failed to do. First and foremost, they're actually honoring the HS2000's warranty, in addition to their own XD's warranty (and they have repair parts on hand, while the original importer apparently did not). They've introduced two new calibers. They're working in conjunction with accessory manufacturers. They've instituted a full fledge marketing and PR campaign -- I never once recall seeing an HS2000 ad -- whereas full-page XD ads are in all of the major gun rags. And perhaps most importantly of all, they're staying in contact with the consumer. A number of Springfield employees, including Dennis Reese himself, participate in threads and answer questions on the HS2000-Talk discussion board.

And still the gun can be had for sub $400. I sure hope that the $521 price was a typo, as you suggest. Not that the pistol isn't worth it, but it can certainly be had for a lot less.

Take care. Marko
 
HS2000:

You are so right. I believe the increase is warranted and though I bagged on the HS months ago if you will remember, I have come to love them and this may be my next buy. They are running at $419.00 in Dallas.

I kike the trigger MUCH better than the Glock fwiw.
 
"As for the value-add that Springfield brings......"


"honoring the HS2000 warranty"...... that doesn't sound like XD added value.

"introduced two new calibers"...... that doesn't sound like XD added value.

"working in conjunction with accessory manufacturers"...... that doesn't sound like XD added value. Accessories were available for the HS2000.

"instituted a full fledge marketing and PR campaign"...... that doesn't sound like XD added value.

"participate in threads and answer questions on the HS2000-Talk discussion board"....... Amusing.
 
Look: some people just don't understand business. You must make a profit to remain viable. I have been in manufacturing in some fashion or the other for 15 years and most recently I am involved in a Nationwide Specialty Staffing Agency owned by my wife.

Those that don't understand will always try to beat those that do down on price. HS couldn't hang obviously. Springfield in addition to standing up for the RKBA, is savy enough to survive and offer a reasonably priced, middle of the road in terms of cost product. Did you know Springfield 1911's are forged both frame and slide? That costs in today's world.
 
Although Springfield has jumped into this pistol with both feet, the fact is, it doesn't change the value of the gun.
I purchased mine at the bargain basement introductory price. It's still a good value at the somewhat inflated numbers it carries now. The fact the Springfield has gone on a PR campaign and is a semi-regular over on HSTALK, has nothing to do with the value of the pistol.
It is nice that they will honor the warrantee....but I would have been surprised if the didn't. Parts are only available (at this time) when you send your gun in. I would hesitate to spend $50.00 in shipping for a $5.00 part.
It's good that Springfield is continuing to bring this gun to the shooting public, but they are not the second coming of the Messiah!
 
"Honoring a warranty doesn't add value?" Nope. Honoring the HS2000 warranty does not add value to an XD, IMO.

Another way to look at this aspect: The importer of HS2000 honored the HS2000 warranties. The importer of XD will honor the XD warranty. So it's the same for both companies. No added value.
 
Frenchy:

One of the very few times I'm going to disagree with you, my friend. Let's suppose for a moment that Springfield never got involved with this pistol:

With the apparent demise of HS America, HS2000 owners would have nobody to cover warranty work (at any price). There would be no spare parts. There would be no .40s&w version and no .357sig version. There would be no new accessory manufacturers tooling up for it (as there are now) . There would be no possibility of a compact version, or any other version for that matter. There would be no advertising campaign to bring in new consumers, thus ensuring that accessory manufactures continue to produce products for the pistol and potentially allowing the pistol's manufacturer to produce other variations of the pistol. There would be no possibility of LE departments issuing the pistol, due to lack of warranty service and parts.

Now while this doesn't make the XD pistol worth more, per se, the original question essentially asked what does Springfield bring to the table that warrants a price increase. This question gets asked again and again virtually every time there's an XD thread. While you are correct that Springfield's involvement is hardly the second coming of the Messiah, I'm attempting to point out that in comparison to what the HS2000 owner was getting for their money, the XD owner is getting more with Springfield's involvement. The HS owner, while having an excellent pistol, had a warranty that became essentially worthless and had no replacement parts available. On the other hand, Springfield does provide a worthwhile warranty and has the means to ensure ample replacement parts. Couple their support with their obvious efforts to promote and help ensure the continued availability of the pistol, and I don't think it can be argued that their isn't some added value there. Again, that's in comparison to what the HS2000 owner was getting.

To boil it all down, the HS2000 owner got a great gun at a very good price and that was all. The XD owner gets a great gun at an increased price, but also gets support and the continued likelihood of support.

Take care bud. Marko
 
Fortyshooter:

You are correct, as you put forth, that honoring the HS2000 warranty does not add value to the XD. But let's not get caught up in the semantics of the phrase "value-add. What I'm attempting to demonstrate is that their are legitimate reasons for a price increase from the HS2000 to the Springfield XD. As I just indicated to Frenchy, the HS2000 owner essentially got a fine firearm and that was it. And while the product is identical in virtually every way, the XD owner does get more for his money in the way of service and the likelihood of that service continuing.

As for your other points, many HS2000 owners have been clamoring for more caliber selections since the inception of the HS into the US market. Under HS America, that day was never going to come. Under Springfield, it is a reality. The fact that you could only have one caliber with an HS, but with Springfield you can have three isn't an added value?

And yes, their are already a limited number of accessories available for the HS2000. But Springfield has provided blanks to numerous other accessory manufacturers in order to ensure that an even greater number of accessories is available. That's not an added value?

The HS2000 was advertised absolutely nowhere. Other than a handful of articles in the gun rags, the pistol only got promoted by the word of mouth of its owners. Hardly a good way to attract new consumers, generate profits, ensure the continued production of the pistol and replacement parts, and give accessory manufacturers incentive to continue making products for it. So the results of heavily advertising the pistol isn't an added value?

When HS America began having trouble providing service and parts, and when the release date of the promised new calibers began to be pushed back month after month, HS2000 owners were left completely in the dark. In contrast, once Springfield got involved, Dennis Reese himself went to HS2000-Talk and answered numerous questions. In detail. And in a timely manner. He, and a couple of other Springfield employees, provide information and answers on a not infrequent basis. So being kept up to date and having your questions answered straight from the top isn't an added value? BTW, when was the last time Gaston stopped in to chat with us over at GT?

If you don't think that the above items are not an added value in comparison to what the HS2000 owner was previously getting, then you and I will just have to agree to disagree.

Take care. Marko
 
We don't know what the politics were about, concerning HSArms demise, and the emergence of Springfield. We don't know if Intrac dropped the ball, or if IM Metals was guilty of commercial subversion, or if Springfield pulled an unethical end run.. I do believe the facts will come out sooner or later.
I can't argue the points you make Marko, because it is a win-win situation for HS (XD) owners & would-be buyers. I think the price increase argument is ridiculous, because the pistol is worth the money, especially to those that know the pistol. I've heard the same rationale from those that complain about Glock pricing, but have never owned or fired one. You usually don't here a gripe about cost from Glock owners.
Maybe it's my Show-Me mentality (I'm from Missouri, remember), But I will reserve my over-all praise for Springfield for awhile. Let's see how they handle parts availability, service, etc.
I personally won't be buying a 40 or 357 from them, as I have no interest in those calibers, but if a 45 ever becomes available, I will be in line.
 
Frenchy:

I certainly can't disagree with you about the various possibilities of HSArm's demise and Springfield's emergence. For now it's all guess work on our part. Hopefully some day we'll get the full scoop.

And again, to reiterate, my main arguments are not intended to bring praise to Springfield --- they're a company simply attempting to make profitable business decisions. But rather, I'm attempting to point out that the pistol is still quite realistically priced, and more importantly, that Springfield is not screwing the consumer with the price increase, as has been put forth by a number of folk. They're bringing a little more to the table, and they're trying to make a profit.

I'm also glad you brought up the Glock pricing argument. I've been thinking the same thing. Happy pistol owners rarely complain about the price they've paid. Glock owners generally are happy about what they've bought. That's a good thing. So if HS2000 and Springfield XD owners aren't complaining and think their pistol is worth the money, why should others complain? I really have to scratch my head sometimes...

Take care bud. Marko
 
I have a cz75b military that went for $309 with a 10 and a a 15 round factory. When all the military cz's dry up what do you think a new cz75b with a hi-cap mag is going to cost? Probably about $100 more than the military. Do you think everyone is going to say how CZ-USA is ripping off the consumers? I don't think so. The HS2000 and the CZ75b military are great deals, but guess what great deals don't last forever. I'm just glad to see that springfield has picked the HS/XD because it is a good gun right up there with my cz. Mark
 
bad business

If anything, Springfield is making a bad business decision by honoring any kind of a warranty for the hs2000 or providing parts for it.
In all reality, it is the previous importers' responsibility. Springfield didn't make any money for guns sold as the hs2000. They must be loosing money on honoring it by providing any free parts and service and time.(or under the import agreement, they had to assume responsibility for previously imported hs2000 pistols possibily?)
The various reincarnations of dan wesson firearms do not honor the warranty on previous wesson made arms. H&R 1871 will not honor or even work on any of the old harrington & richardson firearms.
Springfield must believe in the design.
Hs2000 owners should be glad that a least someone is there if something goes wrong. Otherwise they would be swinging in the breeze.
Bad-mouthing springfield service and recieving it is better than no service at all.
 
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