Speer Gold Dot: 165gr or 180gr for my .40??

hivoltagefx4

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Hello all!

Before I go buy a few boxes of Speer Gold Dot ammo, I was wondering what your thoughts are on the 165 grain vs the 180 grain for those of you who have .40's?

I have a Walther PPS in .40 and was interested in trying this out. Positives? Negatives? Any of you who might have a PPS in .40, what do you use?

Thanks all! Hope to get better informed when it comes to this ammo.
 
Next question? Where do you guys buy your ammo from? I have not seen any Gold Dot Speer here at my LGS. What site do you all recommend?
 
By the numbers, the 165's have the advantage in both velocity and energy transfer. If you really want to push the envelope, Double Tap makes some pretty nasty 135gr Nosler hollow points.
 
Have you tried examples of each .40 load being considered yourself, in your pistol?

I've been issued .40 S&W in both 165gr & 180gr, and have bought and tried various bullet weights as optional authorized ammunition (135gr, 155gr, 165gr & 180gr), over the years since I started buying .40's and having been issued a couple of them.

Personally, I don't have much concern whether I carry a 165gr or 180gr load, as long as it's made by one of the recognized major companies. Given my choice I'd pick one which uses one of the more modern bullet designs, but when I was carrying standard old-style JHP loads on & off-duty it wasn't keeping me awake at night.

I tend to prefer the heavier 180gr loads. The cartridge was designed around the desired performance characteristics of the reduced power 10mm 190gr & 180gr JHP's. The 180gr .40's are usually described by shooters as having the least amount of felt recoil effect (muzzle whip and torque).

Many folks of average shooting skills & experience may express feeling a bit more of the recoil effect when using 165gr loads, although a couple of the major companies have made some lower power 165gr loads for LE/Gov use over the years, as well. Also, I've often observed that as a shooter's skillset and experience increases, less attention (or awareness) seems to be paid to the difference between the 165gr & 180gr loads, recoil-wise. Skill & technique can mitigate the perceived slight difference between these 2 loads, it seems.

So, looking at the basics ...

How well does whatever you choose feed, fire, extract & eject in your particular pistol, when you're shooting it?

How well can you shoot your pistol using the different ammunition? Controllability? Consistency of accuracy?

How available is the ammunition you've selected to you?

How affordable?

Can you get enough of it to not only test-fire it for function in your gun, but use it at least periodically for training & practice? (I like to test-fire randomly selected rounds from different boxes/cases of different production lots to check for any unexpected QC issues that might have occurred, myself, keeping the rest for carry and occasional practice.)

Ammunition selection is always a popular topic when you browse online firearms forums. It's something you can buy and look at, unlike the other critical considerations involved in the use of a firearm as a lawful defensive weapon.

Things like knowledge of the applicable laws involving the use of deadly force; familiarity with the function, operation & recommended maintenance of the firearm; skillset; training; practice; experience; and mindset.

Just my thoughts.

The specific ammunition has become a lower priority on my won list over the years I've worked in LE and as a firearms instructor. Sure, I want something that's good quality, and preferably something that has demonstrated good performance in both carefully controlled lab testing and actual shootings ... but it's still just ammunition, in the "ammunition" part of the whole equation.

How are you doing in respect to the rest of it? ;)
 
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Next question? Where do you guys buy your ammo from? I have not seen any Gold Dot Speer here at my LGS. What site do you all recommend?

I handload them. I've had the bullets for a while; originally bought for a 10mm I had some years back, but they work great in a G23. Don't remember where I got 'em...maybe Sportsman's Warehouse in Tucson?

Daryl
 
I found this interesting paper while poking around the web for info on the 40 S&W. While I don't have any personal recommendations for the forty, I am slightly partial to 158 grain in 357 MAG, which has ballistics similar to the 155 and 165 grain forty loads. It's all the handgun firepower necessary against people.
http://greent.com/40Page/ammo/40/180gr.htm
 
Of the choices presented, I would go with the 165-gr loads. The 180-gr bullets develop just too much muzzle flip in the lightweight PPS.

FWIW, I carry Cor-Bon 140-gr DPXs in mine for "serious social occasions." :cool:

My second choice would be Federal 165-gr Tactical Bonded or HSTs.
 
I would strongly prefer the 165-grain round.

I don't like how susceptible the 180-grain rounds are to massive and very dangerous pressure spikes from a very small amount of bullet setback, and I don't like how the 180-grain rounds are often loaded a bit lighter by the manufacturers as a hedge against the risks that inherent flaw entails in the 180-grain rounds.
 
I'm a lighter and faster guy.

Speer makes a 155gr load and it is phenominal in all of the backyard ballistics tests I have been able to do with it including denim tests. Just another suggestion if you want to stick with the Speer Gold Dots.
 
I like 180 sitting over 5.6 of bullseye out of my m&p. Significantly less "snappy" than 165 over 5.8. I'm not sure how it would work out of your gun though.
 
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