Some High Level Advice on Weapons and Self Defence

Hard Ball

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I am ocassionally asked, usually by religous people, how I can possibly justify having a weapon for self defense and practicing with it regularly.
For moral justification I tell them that I rly on the following hogh level advice

"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36)
 
I wonder where modern christianity/religion deviated. The love of life perverted to where that didn't include the defense of that life. Or having defensive force likened to offensive force.

Battler.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hard Ball:
I am ocassionally asked, usually by religous people, how I can possibly justify having a weapon for self defense and practicing with it regularly.
For moral justification I tell them that I rly on the following hogh level advice

"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36)
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So what should us non-Christians use for justification?
 
Forget Darwin. The vast majority of the world's religions absolutely recognize the right of self-defense.

For atheists/agnostics, self-defense can be justified based either on the natural concept that whereas no creature has rights, no other creature may protest a creature's protecting itself; or the socio-political concept that where a person acts outside of the social compact of good order, that person has abdicated his right to be free from harm himself. You can't base it on Darwin, though, who was concerned with breeding patterns, not social interaction per se. That "survival of the fittest" crap was created by Social Darwinist who bastardized his work.
 
Back before the Presbyterian Church was taken over by a pack of liberals, the concept of self-defense was considered morally correct on the grounds that it would be a sin not to protect the life that the Almighty had given you.

Now, of course, the organization is known as the PC-USA (a sadly accurate set of initials) and the ruling body has asked members to remove guns from their houses.

Which is why, alas, I no longer attend the church of my fathers.

Ken Strayhorn
Hillsborough NC
 
David,

Natural instinct.

CMOS

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David Scott

You do not have to be a Christian to follow that advice. There was no organized Christian church ubtil many years later. Jesus spoke to mixed crowds of Jews, Greeks, and Romans and told them all the same things.
 
JPFO has some good info about this. Look through the section called "Ask the Rabbi" on their website - jpfo.org.
 
12-34hom
I'm sure he has.....but not in the way you are implying. For he works in strange and mysterious ways. ;)


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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."
 
If your LDS, or not closed minded to the book of mormon - there is the stroy about Captain Moroni and the Title of Liberty - basicaly it establishes it as your moral duty to fight for your family and property... and fighting that means the use of lethal force, and today would include the use of firearms.
 
as a creature of light and love i will harm no living thing.
for you see i have obtained spritual creamyness.
of course sometimes you run into a hard nugget of reality.

roughly translated; live and let live, but mess with me or my family and you won't have to wait to meet your maker. i will introduce you.
 
One resource on religious (specifically Judeo-Christian) sources prescribing and defining self-defense is Rev. Anthony Winfield's book 'Self Defense and the Bible'
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>There was no organized Christian church until many years later. Jesus spoke to mixed crowds of Jews, Greeks, and Romans and told them all the same things.
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And, if you pay attention, you'll realize the Bible never authorized any kind of organization to the church higher than the local congregation. Each was meant to be autonomous from all others, not dependent on or answerable to any earthly body, just Christ. This is why I find the anti-gun pronunciations of the PC-USA, or the the Methodists, or what-have-you, to be highly suspect. I couldn't care less about what any particular denomination has to say on any subject, given that Christ never intended for said denominations to exist in the first place, plus the fact that said denominations often base their positions on the political views of the leadership rather than the Bible. "Teaching as doctrines the practices of men..."

I justify owning weapons, for myself, on the fact that as the husband and father, I am the protector of my family. There is no sin inherent in merely owning a weapon. It is your intent at the moment of use that makes it wrong or right. I ran across a denominational guy once whose idea of being a "protector" seemed only to mean knowing who his children were hanging out with, and what they were being taught, and what they were doing, so as to "protect" them from negative influences. While I agree that this is one aspect of it, I also believe that it means protecting my wife and children from physical harm. To be their shield, as it were. I cannot adequately fulfill that responsibility if I am unarmed. My family needs me alive, to provide for them, not bleeding-out in the hallway because the most I was able to do was take the bullet for them. How am I supposed to defend them now, considering the BG is still in the house?

All that high-and-mightiness aside, I also "justify" owning firearms by the fact they they are just plain fun! I enjoy putting holes in paper, knocking over cans, demolishing melons, and so forth. I also enjoy hunting, and look very much forward to the time when I can take it up again, and bring the fam along! :D

My apologies for digressing, as I am often wont to do. Sometimes I worry that the rest of y'all groan "No, not Oomodo again" whenever you see my posts. :)

This has been entirely MY $0.02.

Addendum: The way I approach everything, can be summed up in this statement (actually, paraphrase, as I don't remember exactly how he said it), made by a preacher at my congregation: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"Pray as though it's all up to God, act as though it's all up to you."[/quote]

[This message has been edited by Jedi Oomodo (edited June 17, 2000).]
 
12-34hom

Had it been around when Jesus was speaking to the people, he probably would have, The New Testament says that he spoke to all sorts of people including taveren keepers, prostitutes and even TAX CLLECTORS!
 
(Heavy on the sarcasm)

Just like the Founding Fathers only meant matchlocks, clearly God was only refering to swords. None of them could have possibly imagined assault rifles and high capacity pistols.

I can almost imagine an anti going there.
 
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