Solutions to the Illegal Alien Problem

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the fly in the ointment is blanket amnesty...

are you for it or against it?

if you are against blanket amnesty provide your solutions for getting those illegals in the country legal.

if you are for it tell us how it will stop illegal immigration.

We had amnesty in 86 and it has come up again a decade later, it is now a problem again.

The main purpose of getting folks to register is so we know who is coming in to the country and leaving the country. To keep out terrorists and hard core criminals.

my solution:

Part of the problem is the length ot time it takes for the INS to get things done and the degree of difficulty people wanting to work have to go through.


I support a Bracero program for those wanting to work. However blanket amnesty is not the solution.

1. I agree with Wildalaska that the INS needs some reforming.

2. The INS should be allowed some more funds to set up a database for workers from Mexico. They should be able to go by a US Embassy, or Internet, or by mail and register. American Employers should be able to access this database also. If the employer sees some people he wants to hire he should be able to select them off the database and submit it to INS. INS then notifies the worker who submits identification documents to the INS. When the worker arrives in the US he should be issued a worker ID card.

The employer files a report by Internet or phone that the worker is still employed on a regular basis. After 36 months on a worker program he will become eligible for citizenship.

3. If you have been here illegally the new bill should establish an amnesty period for registration and filing paperwork, probably about 24 months no question asked. You would have to register and have a background check run for criminal activity. If you employer has been paying you then he has 6 months to get right no questions asked. At the end of the 24 months if nothing comes back you get your citizenship papers....

4. If you are willing to commit to duty in the US Armed Forces you get citizenship after completing Basic and AIT and after 6 months on your new duty assignment. If you are assigned to combat duty then lets cut it to 3 months of combat duty.

The INS has to process all paperwork within 5 business days, the criminal background check may take a little longer. Within 30 days max by law the person should be able to get his stuff processed. However, if any criminal felony activity comes back at any time an administrative hearing should be held.

if we did that then we would fare better than the blanket amnesty.
 
I am against amnesty.
I am for severely penalizing employers who hire illegals, when they can reasonably know they are illegal. Let the burden of proof rest upon them.
I do not think either party has the fortitude to do that.

Jerry
 
Ok Jerry,

we can penalize employers that hire them to the letter of the law. I would be willing to bet the flow will still be coming across the border.

I think rounding up 10-12 million people is a task that will never get done...its like the little Dutch boy plugging the dike with his fingers.

As I see it the solution would be one that induces people to register so they wont be illegal. As a condition these people have to report on who is employing them

Part of the problem is that the illegal cant turn in his employer because he is illegal. The employer knows that. Now since he is 100% grade A legal he can turn the employer in to get better pay and benefits. The employer gets the heads up letter saying you have 60 days to get right no questions asked or we come down on you.

In other words we make the newly legal workers our neighborhood patrol.
 
"well I think that mexico just solved this for us. They decrimilized drugs!!! so now the tide is turning."
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read the news again....it got vetoed :p

the vast majority of the illegals are coming here to work and send money back home not to do drugs.....
 
Its only a dead end road if you stop working.....anybody can say no
it takes somebody to say yes and make it work.
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Permit me to be blunt in my response. When I answer it will be thoughtful and hopefully spelled correctly. I am not willing to put substantial thought and preparation into a post if the thread will be closed down. In other words, I'm doing the old salesman thingy: I make sure I have the right audience before throwing out my cookies. Besides, I don't have time now but I will later this evening.
 
I would be willing to bet the flow will still be coming across the border.
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Where's the number for the folks who built the Berlin Wall? They seemed to know what they were doing. I would be willing to bet that more people illegaly cross the Mexico border in a day than got accross the Berlin wall illegaly during its life time.
 
The Berlin wall had machine gun towers and landmines and patrols plus a dead mans zone.

I do not oppose building a wall as part of the solution that has towers and some type of surviellance that catches those trying to bypass it.
 
"Permit me to be blunt in my response. When I answer it will be thoughtful and hopefully spelled correctly. I am not willing to put substantial thought and preparation into a post if the thread will be closed down. In other words, I'm doing the old salesman thingy: I make sure I have the right audience before throwing out my cookies. Besides, I don't have time now but I will later this evening."

Permit me to be even more blunt... If your not going to use the pot dont get on it. :p
 
Like I said before, the only reason they are here is their own country doesn't allow them any opportunity to advance themselves. Give them guns and send them home, or do something else positive to give them the chance to win a decent life at home.

I'm against amnesty, in large part because I know enough about human nature to know that if they are allowed to stay there will come a time when jealousy and strife will prevail and the US will have a bloodbath like the one which occurred between the Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda.
 
Replace the machineguns with higher walls, electronic surveilance and Nat. Gaurd helicopter patrols. Infact, if they want to go ahead with the whole amnesty for those who are here deal, employ some of them to build said wall.
 
Like I said before, the only reason they are here is their own country doesn't allow them any opportunity to advance themselves. Give them guns and send them home, or do something else positive to give them the chance to win a decent life at home.

I'm against amnesty, in large part because I know enough about human nature to know that if they are allowed to stay there will come a time when jealousy and strife will prevail and the US will have a bloodbath like the one which occurred between the Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda.
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So we just send billions of Dollars to Mexico and set up a US sponsored Mexican Welfare program?

We have already had a Civil War in this nation...the side that wanted to split the nation lost.

You live here and have a job making a decent living I assume? Do you feel the need to incite a civil war? People are coming here to escape a corrupt government and chaos and to make money to support thier families for a better future. If we afford them the chance to do this legally and to obtain citizenship I think it is highly unlikely they will be trading this opportunity for more chaos. The purpose of making it easy to identify people who come and go across our borders is to weed out those who wish for chaos.
 
I am in favor of a very liberal worker and immigration program - but only if it starts on the other side of the border. As to the millions that are here illegally, let them leave and come back legally or boot them out. And I do not subscribe to the defeatism of "we can't find or deal with millions." Sure we can; it only requires the right incentive.

Today, there are not enough INS agents to round illegals up to even keep up with the flow, employer penalties are a joke, and deportations cost the government money. First, empower every LEO in the country to arrest illegals. Second, raise employer fines to $10,000 per illegal, give the arresting agency 25% of the fine, give any tipster 25% of the fine, and use the rest of the fine for deportation expenses. In short, provide incentives to arrest and deport illegals and major disincentives to using illegal workers and the problem will be self-correcting.
 
I believe, for every drop of rain a candle glows, etc..

Nice song but it won't help the problem.

If they get caught breaking the law (other than the illegal part) they should be exported, tried etc.

If they have a job they should go after the employer. The employers are part of the big problem. It is basically slave trade conditions and the employers are the ones who need to be put in jail also.

Simple really.

HQ
 
The purpose of making it easy to identify people who come and go across our borders is to weed out those who wish for chaos.
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I can appreciate the attempt to ID and document all who want to come and work, and I do think it would help somewhat to provide a mechanism by which we can get a grip on some of the illegals. I wholeheartedly agree with the notion of accelerated citizenship for those who wish to serve the nation.
However, I'm not sure that if amnesty were available it would solve the problem. The proposal, call it amnesty, seems to me to be actually just a bump in the immigration quota. I believe there are legitimate reasons to limit immigration, or to set conditions on those wanting to enter the country - we need skilled workers as well as cheap labor. People are leaving Mexico, etc, because conditions are so bad that breaking the immigration law here, and living in the underground economy for decades, is preferable to the conditions in their home country. Until those conditions are normalized somewhat between these economies, ours will act as a vaccuum, and no attempt to control, stem or legitimize illegal entry will prove effective.
Its also possible that the more illegals we give a pass to the more I would think would see that as feckless, and it might tip them over to decide to take the chance on illegal entry.
I honestly don't mind the benefits that cheap, illegal labor brings to the food supply, etc, but I don't think we can honestly say that any plan currently on the table will have any effect on preventing, uhm, would Bush call them the "chaosers"? They are going to get in regardless. We can't keep illegal drugs out of the country, as much money as we spend and as many laws as we pass. Nothing that anyone has mentioned, no matter how earnestly, will prevent mischief makers from attempting entry.
 
Targeting Employers is the only answer--

I believe the solution to the illegal immegration problem is to target the Illegal Employers (yes, they are illegal if they are breaking the law). A major crackdown, to the point of putting some of the more prominent out of business will go a long way to slowing, if not stopping the flow.

Why would someone come to this country if THEY COULD NOT WORK! No money would cause them to go back home where at lease a few $$ will last a while. Many of the illegals are coming here, not because they can't get ANY work in their home country, they come because they can make 3-5 times MORE.

Employers are living the good life off this cheap labor. When someone applys, they are told to go find a good Social Security Number. Since the employer has to call and verify that the number and the name match, they just buy a "stolen" number from a "vendor". They laugh at the system because they can get around it so easy. Both the Employers and the Illegals are laughing today.

Without jobs they will leave. As to the closed businesses due to extreme violations, this is a free economy. Others will pick up the product manufacturing and services that were previously provided by illegals at lawbreaking employers facilities.

In short, it is time for every congressman/congresswoman to "grow a pair".
 
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