So why the stockpiling of weapons?

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If you don't have access to Texas newspapers or the internet, you may not have heard the sensational news about the enormous cache of weapons our government recently seized in Laredo, Texas. U.S. authorities grabbed two completed Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), materials for making 33 more, military-style grenades, 26 grenade triggers, large quantities of AK-47 and AR-15 assault rifles, 1,280 rounds of ammunition, silencers, machine gun assembly kits, 300 primers, bullet-proof vests, police scanners, sniper scopes, narcotics, and cash.

That sounds like a war is going on in Texas! If bomb-making factories and firearms assembly plants are ordinary day-to-day business in the drug war along our southern border, the American people need to know more about it.

The Val Verde County chief deputy warned that drug traffickers are helping terrorists with possible al Quaeda ties to cross the Texas-Mexico border into the United States. A government spokesman in Houston said "at this point there is no connection with anything in Iraq." Well, we are not so easily reassured. We wonder what our government is doing to fulfill its duty to "protect each of them [the states] against invasion," as called for in the U.S. Constitution, Article IV.

The Department of Homeland Security now admits that there have been 231 documented incursions by Mexican military or police, or drug or people smugglers dressed in military uniforms, during the last ten years, including 63 in Arizona, and several Border Patrol agents have been wounded in these encounters. This admission comes after years of pretending that such incursions were just "accidents."

Homeland Security sent a confidential memo in January to our Border Patrol agents warning that they could be the targets of assassins hired by alien smugglers. The alert states that the contract killers will probably be members of the vicious MS-13 Mara Salvatrucha street gang (whose 17-year-old killers will be protected from capital punishment by a recent U.S Supreme Court decision).

There is, indeed, a drug war going on between rival drug gangs, but the U.S. government seems to be just a bystander without manpower or weapons to take action. Are we going to continue to leave our Border agents sitting ducks for Mexican snipers?

Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) reported that sheriff deputies spotted a military-style Humvee near El Paso, Texas, with a mounted .50-caliber machine gun escorting a caravan of SUVs bringing illegal drugs into our country. Our outgunned and outmanned sheriff deputies and state highway patrol couldn't do anything except take pictures.

The Mexican government is unwilling or incapable of doing anything to stop the wide-open lawlessness on the Mexican side of the border. Our Border Patrol agents say they are often confronted by corrupt Mexican military units employed to protect and escort violent drug smugglers.

Meanwhile, the news media have shown us pictures of the just-discovered sophisticated 2,400-foot tunnel running from Mexico under our border to a warehouse in San Diego. U.S. authorities recovered more than two tons of marijuana, and it is unclear how long the tunnel has been in operation or how many tons of drugs already passed through. It is now believed that the drug cartel started building the tunnel two years ago.

The Bush Administration whines that it can't (i.e., won't) do anything to implement border security unless its guest-worker/amnesty proposal is part of the legislative package. When is our government going to protect us from the crime, the drugs, the smuggling racket, destruction of property, the endangerment to U.S. residents along our border and our undermanned Border Patrol?

In charge of protecting Americans against this war is 36-year-old Julie Myers, to whom President Bush gave a recess appointment after her Senate confirmation bogged down because of her total lack of law-enforcement experience. Her qualifications are her connections: she is the niece of former Joint Chiefs Chairman Richard Myers and the wife of Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff's chief of staff.

When Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) spoke to CPAC in Washington, DC on February 9, he said: "We have to work with Mexico because, like it or not, we are joined by a common border. We are in a sense married, and we have to make the marriage work because we cannot get a divorce."

Cornyn seems to have forgotten that Texas was once married to Mexico, and Texas didn't like it. Texas fought a war for independence, successfully "divorced" Mexico, and later came into the United States. Not many Americans want to be "married" to any other country, but some powerful people are working for open borders among all North American countries. When they talk about "comprehensive" reform, that means including guest-worker/amnesty as part of any border-security legislation.

Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ) says that if you visit the border, you will find that almost everyone who lives there is armed for protection from illegals. Just imagine if you had to carry a gun when you go to the grocery store or take your kids to school!

For the best up-to-date analysis of what our government should do, read Rep. Hayworth's new book called Whatever It Takes: Illegal Immigration, Border Security, and the War on Terror. He calls for a security fence, 10,000 border agents, enforcement of penalties on employers who hire illegal aliens, cooperation between the feds and our 700,000 local and state police officers to enforce our immigration laws, more detention centers to keep illegals until they can be deported, and an end to the racket of giving U.S. citizenship to babies born to illegal aliens.



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Interesting huh? So will this give government a reason to look at your stash?:D :D

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Some MS-13 members got thier start as irregulars. So it would be no suprise if there was a link to groups like Al Qaeda. Established older criminal organizations tend to favor a system where rules and laws provide stability. Groups like MS-13 are only interested in MS-13 and tend to favor an atmoshere of killing and destabilization. Groups like Ms-13 are the reason we need to close down the border like the Israelis have.
 
If you don't have access to Texas newspapers or the internet, you may not have heard the sensational news about the enormous cache of weapons our government recently seized in Laredo, Texas. U.S. authorities grabbed two completed Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), materials for making 33 more, military-style grenades, 26 grenade triggers, large quantities of AK-47 and AR-15 assault rifles, 1,280 rounds of ammunition, silencers, machine gun assembly kits, 300 primers, bullet-proof vests, police scanners, sniper scopes, narcotics, and cash.

Well, if you don't have access to the internet, then you haven't seen the postings on the internet. D'uh!

The story went national and even carried by CNN.

I am doubtful of the large quanties of AKs and ARs. Compared to the other items, there were few guns. The Washington Times reports ...

20 assembled firearms including AK-47s and AR-15s, two Uzi assault weapons,

WT also report 3880 rounds of ammo. Even with this higher number for ammo, the cache contained less than 200 rounds per gun (assuming equally distributed).

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060203-111444-9836r.htm

That sounds like a war is going on in Texas! If bomb-making factories and firearms assembly plants are ordinary day-to-day business in the drug war along our southern border, the American people need to know more about it.

How can you buy into the hype and post this here.

There were no bomb factories

There were no firearms assembly plants.

At best, these are cottage industry sort of production, small shops, not factories and plants.

Since when does something akin to cottage industry production constitute war?

So sniper scopes were found in the cache? Just what sorts of scopes are sniper scopes as opposed to being non-sniper scopes?

The Department of Homeland Security now admits that there have been 231 documented incursions by Mexican military or police, or drug or people smugglers dressed in military uniforms, during the last ten years, including 63 in Arizona, and several Border Patrol agents have been wounded in these encounters. This admission comes after years of pretending that such incursions were just "accidents."

While I agree the incursions are something we don't want, keep in mind that the US makes lots of unwanted incursions into other countries. So we aren't above the practice ourselves. Hell, we even invaded Panama and over threw the goverment on the basis that Noriega was involved in importing drugs into the US. So military power was used on a foreign country on the basis of an arrest warrant.

We bombed Libya because Muammar Qaddafi it was believed Libya was housing those responsible for the bombing of a nightclub in Germany that killed two US Soldiers and others. When Muammar Qaddafi failed to extradite the bombers, the US bombed Tripoli and Benghazi in Libya. Strangely, the intended targets of the bombings were said to be their terrorist infrastructure, but the targets seemed to be military and political targets, not necessarily terrorist targets. Muammar Qaddafi's own home was hit, some have argued it was an assassination attempt on his life.

What about some of the invaders into Texas that were Mexican military? What the shock? We have invaded Mexico quite a few times. Heck, the invasions into the US are nothing compared to Pres. Wilson's orders to Pershing to search out Pancho Villa and the expedition consisted of some 12000 invaders, When was the last time the US invaded Mexico with some 12000 armed troops?

Cornyn seems to have forgotten that Texas was once married to Mexico, and Texas didn't like it. Texas fought a war for independence, successfully "divorced" Mexico, and later came into the United States. Not many Americans want to be "married" to any other country, but some powerful people are working for open borders among all North American countries. When they talk about "comprehensive" reform, that means including guest-worker/amnesty as part of any border-security legislation.

The Texas Revolution was not because Texans were married to Mexico and didn't like it. Texas was part of Mexico. What the Texans did not like was Santa Anna trying to reverse the trend of Texas Mexicans becoming the minority to US citizens colonists.

Not many Americans want to be married to any other country, sort of like Texas was married to Mexico? Texans may have been 'married' to Mexico, but Mexico wasn't a foreign country to the Texans since Texas was part of Mexico.

Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ) says that if you visit the border, you will find that almost everyone who lives there is armed for protection from illegals. Just imagine if you had to carry a gun when you go to the grocery store or take your kids to school!

Just imagine. I do it all the time. It isn't a big deal. We are threatened too much by illegal aliens here, but by more common and typical threats like murderers, rapists, muggings by crack heads, B&E, etc. Americans along the border and elsewhere would be smart to carry anyway as protection from the more common threats. The border simply has another type of threat to protect against.
 
If their knickers are in a twist over 1200 rounds of ammo, they had better not count all of mine!

And imagine what they would say about my "several pounds" of gunpowder, black powder and primers!:eek: Along with reloading equipment to produce several thousand more rounds from spent casings in a self-sustaining fashion.

Heck, you put my arsenal and 2-3 other friends' arsenals together and you could have this same story, minus the grenades. While none of us has an assembled IED, I would imagine that one or two could be easily improvised from car parts, cartridge primers, powder and an improvised ignition from a spring and homemade firing pin.

Now, 200 rounds per gun does sound like just enough to wage a big coordinated fight. Just enough to carry. Probably another stash somewhere else to reload. I'm much more worried about the guy who has only a box of 50 rounds for his gun, than the guy who has 5000, though.

Imagine what would happen to a border patrol if it were flanked from behind by a 5th column? I'm no MS-13 expert, but that would be a tactic I would choose. Listen for when the BP is closing in on one of my drug runs, wait for them to engage, then wipe out an entire response team by flanking from the north.
 
"Stockpiling," "arsenal," etc. are words used by anti-gunners. Twenty guns is not a "stockpile," it is a modest collection. And no amount of ammunition is "excessive" when you buy it on sale in large amounts because you have the disposable income to do so. I don't believe anything I read about firearms in the news.:barf:
 
Boooooooogus story.

Got this off another site
Link?

1,280 rounds of ammunition
Stockpile my hind foot. That's a lazy Sunday afternoon for two.

large quantities of AK-47 and AR-15 assault rifles...
6 each? ten? (which would leave only 64 rounds per rifle...)



The Val Verde County chief deputy warned that drug traffickers are helping terrorists with possible al Quaeda ties to cross the Texas-Mexico border into the United States. A government spokesman in Houston said "at this point there is no connection with anything in Iraq." Well, we are not so easily reassured. We wonder what our government is doing to fulfill its duty to "protect each of them [the states] against invasion," as called for in the U.S. Constitution, Article IV.
Who are "we"? There seems to be a definite agenda, here...
 
Funny everyone's reaction to this story was the same as mine. Only 1200 rounds of ammo?:) Hell, I have guns in more than a half a dozen different calibers and I start getting nervous if my supply in any one caliber dips below 1000 rounds. ;)
 
Something's not right about that story...

"Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) reported that sheriff deputies spotted a military-style Humvee near El Paso, Texas, with a mounted .50-caliber machine gun escorting a caravan of SUVs bringing illegal drugs into our country. Our outgunned and outmanned sheriff deputies and state highway patrol couldn't do anything except take pictures."

Am I the only one thinkin I woulda been on the horn with someone from the national guard or military and have some F-16's or Blackhawks bringing down some hell...
 
I take exception to the "12,000" invaders idea. This was pre WWI, and the policy of punitive expeditions, especially to apprehend guerillas/bandits in areas where the host government was powerless, was an accepted fact of international policy world-wide. The "invasion" was in response to the invasion of American soil, and the attack on American citizens. That it wouldn't be acceptable today isn't a valid point.

The Mexican military isn't invading America. The fact that some members of the Mexican military have been co-opted to provide security for the drug-runners should be a wake-up call as to the power of money.

I will agree that it's time to involve the National Guard in the defense of our borders. The governor of the state can do so without any other permission needed. To use the active military would require the repeal of the Posse Commitatus Act, or a formal declaration of war by the United States on a combatant. It doesn't even have to be Mexico or Canada.
 
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Boooooooogus story.

Love it:D Why don't you post to everyone they are a liar first then say opps I found it:D Seems there are alot of people that want a lie to be told so they can catch someone or something like that.:cool:

First simply by comparing my short post to the long winded crap that others post you would realize I got this off the internet. Short and simple is best.

Second you call me bogus then do a search to find it. This means what ever you say later on is probably going to be re-thought out several times before you know what you think.

Last, this is the internet and there is damn few who can be trusted with anything they post so all of it is probably bias lies anyway. The story true or false is to bring out your bias opinion.

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Excluding the narcotics and grenades, I have more of everything on the list in my house at present. Fortunately, my government issued C&R license turns my "the enormous cache of weapons" into a firearm "collection."
 
Fortunately, my government issued C&R license turns my "the enormous cache of weapons" into a firearm "collection."

I hope you are being sarcastic. Do you really believe that someone needs to have a C&R license to collect guns?
 
Hey everyone. My first post!

Anyway, I feel the porous border situation is one of the most important security issues of our time, effecting both public security and the economy. I live in The People's Republic Of Northern California;) , and the politicians and big business (agriculture and construction) are sitting pretty with their slave class of people (illegals) to do their bidding. Any attempts to point out how racist the idea that Mexicans are somehow better and more willing to do crappy jobs than other races is met with cries of racism! Remember when Jimmy the Greek got in huge trouble for drunkenly saying that black people were made for competition running? Now you have so-called human rights activists "defending" Mexican illegal immigrants by continuing to allow them to be abused by allowing them to work here with no regulations or oversight. It's really a bad situation that has drastically harmed our economy.

However, the sensationalizing of incidents relating to this can only harm efforts to fix the problem. Look at the Minutemen. They got painted as white racist gun nuts, which, from what I have seen, heard, and read, they are true patriots with a fear for the safety of our nation.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble. It's a little off topic, but sketchy reports about a very serious issue should be watched for.
 
I hope you are being sarcastic. Do you really believe that someone needs to have a C&R license to collect guns?

Do you mean I can collect guns without having my official government approved license? I can really buy guns without their ok? Buy guns without their knowledge? Skip the 4473? Skip the ATF FORM 4 for paid NFA transfers? Skip the ATF FORM 1 for making stuff? Buy from some person other than an FFL? Real, private party, person to person sales of unregistered firearms? I sure hope they don't notice that roughly 70 of my firearms are not C&R. Otherwise they might accuse me of having an arsenal.



I am always sarcastic. Except when I'm being facetious.
 
I try to assume that most folks are at least as smart as I am.

So, if I think a post only makes sense if it is sarcasm, I go with "It must be sarcasm"; that being the simplest explanation, especially on this board.

Saves time and doesn't put me in the position of constantly assuming all other people are idiots. :rolleyes:
 
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