So, who's going to be the first?

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aarondhgraham

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CZ 1911 A1 for $849.00 MSRP

Which one of you ladies or gentlemen,,,
Will be the first to buy one of these?

I'm a CZ fanboy but not a devotee of 1911 pistols,,,
CZ quality has always been high though,,,
This could easily be a fine handgun.

What do you devotees think?

Aarond

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What's the "street price"?
It appears equivalent to Springfield's Mil-Spec, so a price in the $700 range would be reasonable.
I remember when the Taurus 1911s first arrived in stores, and locally they were priced $200 over suggested retail.
 
Built without a trigger safety, the trigger itself is aluminum, with pull specified at 5 lbs.
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Huh? Trigger safety? They are telling us a 1911 doesn't have the "Glock widget" on the trigger?

Do you think they really meant a firing pin safety?

And that really does look like an A1. I almost get 1911-A1 hammer bite just looking at it. :p

Bart Noir
 
Made by DW in the US or by CZ-UB in the Czech Republic? If the latter, I'm sure DW had input.

Edit: Never mind. The OP's link answers my question -- made by DW in the US.

I wonder if DW will make the CZ 92 at some point.
 
yet another 1911
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Yup, another in the seemingly endless line of clones.

I quit wasting my money on 1911 clones years ago. The old Colt/GI guns are still the only "real" 1911's. :)
 
CZ has had a number of small inaccuracies when describing the Dan Wesson line of 1911s on their website over the years. So, yeah, when you see "trigger safety," think firing pin block.

Dan Wesson is making this pistol so you can expect it to be better than the "average" 1911 at that price. I'm sure it has some MIM parts but so does every 1911 at that price point.

CZ showed this at the Shot Show and lots of DW fans have been waiting for it. Today, after seeing this thread, I checked out a couple of online dealers and found one listed on Gunbroker, the first I've seen or heard of for sale. It had a "buy it now" price of $875, a little more than MSRP. I suspect the gun will fetch MSRP for awhile and then settle in at a little less.
 
While the 1911 purists already are pointing out that it isn't "pure" enough, and the gucci gun set are moving on for guns with more baubles and bolt-ons, I am very interested in it's sharp, clean lines, straightforward feature set, and non-galling Carbon Steel composition. The very fair $850 MSRP is only the icing on the cake.

All 1911's are highly personal and emotional choices. Make no mistake, the new CZ offering really speaks to me. I hope it maintains the fit and finish reputation of the DW lineup. If it does, they will get my money, and my CZ-75 will have a cousin to keep it company.
 
Is this undercutting DW??? Or is this a DW rebadged?

Either way...


CZ can you make me a single stack RAMI in 9mm??? Please?
 
It's being manufactured by DW, but is keeping the CZ label presumably due to price and branding. I think it's a way to gain a share of the mid-level 1911 market without diluting the DW brand (and the price premium it commands)
 
I won't be me, that's certain. I can think of any number of guns I would buy before an overpriced 1911. But that's just me, I know some of you guys loved them. I don't understand why, but hey, something for everyone...:D
 
I would be tempted myself,,,

I would be tempted myself,,,
If I had any affinity towards 1911 pistols.

I showed the link to another friend of mine,,,
If all goes well I'll be able to hold one very soon.

Seriously, he looked at the website,,,
Then called his favorite dealer to have one ordered in.

If it comes through I'll post a range report,,,
'cause we'll shoot it the day it arrives.

Aarond

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I won't buy one.....and I'm a big 1911 fan...but I'm not a CZ fan at all...

It's only my opinion .....but I think Wilson Combat and Ed Brown are the top 2 mfg's of 1911's....and there is a big fall off to #3 thru #10...and I'm not sure I'd put CZ in the top 10 at all ...or the Dan Wesson badged 1911's either for that matter.

If someone is looking for an entry level 1911...that has a lot of features..with above average quality / Springfield TRP model is retailing for around $ 1,500 in my area....( its nowhere near the quality of a Wilson or Ed Brown )...but its a decent gun for the money in my view.

The guns that Wilson Combat are making are worth every penny ....and a solid investment as well as being a very long term weapon --- and I know $3,000 plus is not in everyone's budget.../ but I've been lucky thru the yrs - and can afford to own and shoot what I want - and I have a pair of Wilsons one in 9mm and one in .45 acp that are two of the top 5 guns in my safe.
 
BigJimP said:
I won't buy one.....and I'm a big 1911 fan...but I'm not a CZ fan at all...



It's only my opinion .....but I think Wilson Combat and Ed Brown are the top 2 mfg's of 1911's....and there is a big fall off to #3 thru #10...and I'm not sure I'd put CZ in the top 10 at all ...or the Dan Wesson badged 1911's either for that matter.



If someone is looking for an entry level 1911...that has a lot of features..with above average quality / Springfield TRP model is retailing for around $ 1,500 in my area....( its nowhere near the quality of a Wilson or Ed Brown )...but its a decent gun for the money in my view.



The guns that Wilson Combat are making are worth every penny ....and a solid investment as well as being a very long term weapon --- and I know $3,000 plus is not in everyone's budget.../ but I've been lucky thru the yrs - and can afford to own and shoot what I want - and I have a pair of Wilsons one in 9mm and one in .45 acp that are two of the top 5 guns in my safe.
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Comparing $1500 and $3000 guns to this is pretty silly.
 
I was comparing what I think is one of the best 1911's on the market to a $900 CZ ..../... silly, no ---- there are far too many guys in gun stores every week that think $1,000 - or even $ 1,500 ....ought to buy the best 1911's that can be made.../ and its a perspective that should be discussed ...

I don't think CZ's badged Dan Wesson 1911's are very good guns / and I doubt the CZ badged guns are any better - in fact they may be identical with the exception of the cosmetics.... but my perception is based on the Dan Wesson 1911's I've seen and fired at my local range in the last year or so.

Some folks think spending $ 3,500 - $8,000 on a quality 1911 from Wilson Combat...is a waste of money / I don't .../ and all I was trying to say is where the value on decently made 1911's are - if you don't have the budget to look at Wilson or Ed Brown...then look at the Springfield TRP in the $ 1,500 price range.../ I think the TRP will be a way better gun than anything CZ or Dan Weson puts out.../ or save your money and purchase a Wilson down the road - over anything made under the name of Dan Wesson by CZ - or under the CZ name.

I understand CZ has their fans...and I respect Aarond's question and opinion and others that contributed.../ I just don't think the CZ 1911 is a gun worth taking a chance on ...
 
Hey, if youve got the money to waste, have at it. I just dont see the point otherwise. I prefer to just buy multiples of whatever works reliably, without having to fiddle and/or break in, and spend the rest on ammo and/or components.

For what my buddy spent for one of his Nighthawks, I could buy 4-5 Glocks, and a bunch of mags/ammo. I still out shoot him every time with those lowly Glocks too. :)
 
The Dan Wesson 1911's are some of the best under $2K 1911's made. I have two of them which I purchased in 2010 and they've been exemplary examples of 1911's in fit and function.

The Valor is a far better gun than the Springfield TRP in parts, fit, and finish. I have a gun from the Springfield Custom Shop, and it is a fine pistol - but, it's far more costly than the Valor and really isn't fit or finished any better - it just has some custom features not found on the Valor.

I haven't seen the CZ 1911 as no gun store where I live stocks any CZ guns - including Dan Wesson. I'm guessing that the CZ will have some cast parts as opposed to the all bar stock parts found on the Dan Wessons - but, there's nothing wrong with that. I have 1911's with cast parts and some MIM and if used correctly - the parts all work and last just as long as bar stock parts. They just don't have the cachet of saying, "...and all of the parts are bar stock."

Finally, you can't compare a $800 or $900 1911 to a $3K - $5K semi custom in parts or features - that's why you're paying $3K+ - to get a certain level of features and hand fitting.

If a 1911 is proven to function reliably through use, it doesn't matter what the cost is, unless you want specific features on the pistol. I have an $850 1911 that functions just as reliably as a $6K 1911. The difference between them is in features, small parts, and internal finishing.
 
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