So, tell me!

[DasBoot]

"Illegal aliens only do the jobs Americans won't do."
"They only come here to make a better life for themselves."
"There's no appreciable drain on society by their being here."
"They have just as much right ti be here as natural born Americans do."
You've heard these, and many more, I'm sure.
I pose these questions to all of you out there that hold similar views:
What are the positive effects of unbridled ILLEGAL immigration?
Show me one city that has prospered and flourished in the wake of massive ILLEGAL immigration.
And I stress "ILLEGAL" because there are those that don't/can't make the distinction between legal and "IL"legal.
If there are positive effects to this issue, I'd love to hear them.

 

[Playboypenguin]

Another bashing thread by DasBoot. Can we just close this one early?

 

[kozak6]

Not if he tells us what was in the safe.

 

[DasBoot]

Another bashing thread by DasBoot.

WHy don't you just answer my questions instead of labeling, erroneously I might add, my intent?
From the Center for Immigration Studies

California has estimated that the net cost to the state of providing government services to illegal immigrants approached $3 billion during a single fiscal year.

From The Manhattan Center for Policy Research:

A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations. It commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico

Should I continue.
If you don't like my sources, give me yours.
Now let's see those quotes on the positive effects, shall we.

 

[rex]

How bout it, what ever happened with that safe?

 

[DasBoot]

NewsMax.com:

The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."

The Federation for American Immigration Reform also turned to the Justice Department to get statistics on criminal aliens. They report:

In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones [including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings].

US Dept. of Justice:

The number of defendants prosecuted for an immigration offense rose from 6,605 in 1996 to 15,613 in 2000.
Average time to be served by immigration offenders entering Federal prison increased from about 4 months in 1986 to 21 months in 2000.
57% of suspected immigration offenders were Mexican citizens; 7%, U.S. citizens; 3%, Chinese; and 28%, all other nationalities.

I'm waiting for those rebuttals.......

(The safe is just a we last left it.... a future project.)

 

[SecDef]

I'm waiting for those rebuttals.......

Well, the companies that hire these people don't exactly give out numbers. BUT, if you look at your numbers, 3 million illegals in CA vs 3 billion in benefits given to them comes out to approximately $1000/year per alien.

Now, a company doesn't hire someone unless it makes them money. $1000/year for an employee isn't THAT hard.

However, the argument isn't that illegal aliens are a benefit. The argument is twofold: 1) Social security is broken, making it trivial to obtain benefits illegally (there are legal duplicates of SSNs even!) and fixing that does a lot to make this whole "problem" moot. 2) Until you come up with a solution for the 11 million illegal aliens that are currently here, your complaining doesn't move us towards a resolution. Solving the "problem" could easily cost a lot more than living with the "problem".

The first rule of complaining is to have something better prepared.

 

[Al Norris]

The first rule of complaining is to have something better prepared.

And another hint:

DasBoot, when you post some form of stat, post the link with it.

If you can't post the verifying link; if you can't come up with a plan (good, bad or indifferent) to go along with your gripe, then don't post about it.

I think it safe to say that our "open border" policy is at best, ill conceived in post-9/11 times. We all know this. Posting and simply griping about it won't affect anything.

Think Twice, Post once.

Closed.