so on the lighter side..
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George Hill
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The lead would be about a 1/2 football field ahead of the plane's flight path. If its heading right at you, aim just above the cockpit.
This is of course engaging the enemy aircraft with a high volume of fire from a general purpose machine gun of a decent caliber such as an M-60.
Anything less and your just pissing into the wind... Unless you have a dozen friends helping you... Then maybe...
This is of course engaging the enemy aircraft with a high volume of fire from a general purpose machine gun of a decent caliber such as an M-60.
Anything less and your just pissing into the wind... Unless you have a dozen friends helping you... Then maybe...
It is very possible.
There are very accurate accounts of where some marines shot down Japanese fighters at Pearl with their Springfield 03's. The guy was a duck hunter and just led right and hit something or someone of importance and in the fighter went. I think we should all invest in some of the semi-auto Ma Duces that are out and about. Mount it in the back of your pickup and you instantly have a good crop duster duster.
There are very accurate accounts of where some marines shot down Japanese fighters at Pearl with their Springfield 03's. The guy was a duck hunter and just led right and hit something or someone of importance and in the fighter went. I think we should all invest in some of the semi-auto Ma Duces that are out and about. Mount it in the back of your pickup and you instantly have a good crop duster duster.
Art Eatman
Staff in Memoriam
A terr's interest in a crop-duster would be the spray rig. The odds are that he'd probably spray from fairly high altitude, compared to a "real" duster pilot.
If you're not really, really skilled in low-level flight, trying to spray down at 50 to 100 feet leads to "dead, as in crashed". I'm saying skilled as in hundreds of hours, overall, and quite a few with duster-instruction. I have 300 hours, and I wouldn't try low-level spraying on a bet!
A crop-duster, 90 degrees crossing, is about three times as fast as a deer. Now, for Ol' Bambi, you lead about three feet per 100 yards away. At, say, 300 yards, then, you'd lead a crop-duster about 27 feet, or about a plane's length.
Of course, if he's coming straight at you, start thinking about how you hold on an incoming dove. That is left as an exercise for the student.
, Art
If you're not really, really skilled in low-level flight, trying to spray down at 50 to 100 feet leads to "dead, as in crashed". I'm saying skilled as in hundreds of hours, overall, and quite a few with duster-instruction. I have 300 hours, and I wouldn't try low-level spraying on a bet!
A crop-duster, 90 degrees crossing, is about three times as fast as a deer. Now, for Ol' Bambi, you lead about three feet per 100 yards away. At, say, 300 yards, then, you'd lead a crop-duster about 27 feet, or about a plane's length.
Of course, if he's coming straight at you, start thinking about how you hold on an incoming dove. That is left as an exercise for the student.
, ArtLycanthrope
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Yep...what Art said sounds right. I don't think it would be necessary to spray at such a low level to be effective with a crop duster setup geared with a biological weapon. Crop dusters need good coverage on the foliage....a terrorist only needs to infect you. Nonetheless, they are also probably crazy enough to try to get down to 50 feet and end up bouncing when they experience "ground effect" (acts like a cushion of air that won't let the plane land until you drop below a certain speed.....otherwise you have to force it down and that translates as "crash"). Still...I think it could be done over FLAT terrain in good conditions by a novice. Art....have you ever done no flaps landings at 100 knots? That's standard training where I went school. On the subject......have any of you tried those flight sim games? Sheesh....I have a couple hundred hours and I picked up "Falcon 4" at Wal Mart for $20. I have a flight stick, throttle and rudders for the PC and I swear the sim acted like a real bird. You can manually toggle EVERY switch you can find in a real Falcon and I had to learn things I NEVER learned in a two year flight college just to play on the net. I think you could learn to fly pretty much anything with a good flight sim.......take offs and landings, however, are a different story.
But....I can tell you those little planes are nothing more than riveted tin over a skeletized frame (without spray gear they likely go around 2500lbs). I'd wager .223 ball would penetrate the floor at low altitude. I don't think the aluminum cylinder walls would fare too well with 30-06 round either. Remember.....the fuel tanks are in the wings near the aircraft body.....hehe.
PULL!
But....I can tell you those little planes are nothing more than riveted tin over a skeletized frame (without spray gear they likely go around 2500lbs). I'd wager .223 ball would penetrate the floor at low altitude. I don't think the aluminum cylinder walls would fare too well with 30-06 round either.
Remember.....the fuel tanks are in the wings near the aircraft body.....hehe.PULL!
Art Eatman
Staff in Memoriam
Lycanthrope, I had a 172 with a 180-hp until a wind-burst ate the hangar where it was kept--the insurance company bought the remains, and I haven't gotten back in the money-drain bidness.
I played around a bit with trying to fly three feet off the runway and not touch anything, which took a bit of concentration. Anytime I touched down, I did it slowly: 100-knot touches are hard on tirewear. Those black marks on runways are just a different form of dollar bill.
A .22 rimfire will penetrate any aircraft skin. Any centerfire tracer will create a problem, although the first one through the tank won't necessarily start a fire. The second or third hit will, though...
Spraying from a duster means a highly dispersed "poison". That means a lesser likelihood of infection unless it's some sort of stuff for which only one spore will do the job.
This anthrax deal going around necessitates a large number of spores to be effective.
The people-problem with a crop-duster is that if a residential neighborhood is sprayed, 99% of the folks will be indoors, and the plane is gone by the time anybody realizes what's happened. So, stay indoors for a while. After the spray has had time to settle, go wash your porches, sidewalks and car with water and Clorox. That is, rinse first, and pour Clorox into the runoff.
Art
I played around a bit with trying to fly three feet off the runway and not touch anything, which took a bit of concentration. Anytime I touched down, I did it slowly: 100-knot touches are hard on tirewear. Those black marks on runways are just a different form of dollar bill.
A .22 rimfire will penetrate any aircraft skin. Any centerfire tracer will create a problem, although the first one through the tank won't necessarily start a fire. The second or third hit will, though...
Spraying from a duster means a highly dispersed "poison". That means a lesser likelihood of infection unless it's some sort of stuff for which only one spore will do the job.
This anthrax deal going around necessitates a large number of spores to be effective.
The people-problem with a crop-duster is that if a residential neighborhood is sprayed, 99% of the folks will be indoors, and the plane is gone by the time anybody realizes what's happened. So, stay indoors for a while. After the spray has had time to settle, go wash your porches, sidewalks and car with water and Clorox. That is, rinse first, and pour Clorox into the runoff.
Art