Sneak Peek Documentary Review: Indoctrinate U, Academic bias on the American campus.

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I just got done watching a sneak peek of the documentary "Indoctrinate U" with a friend who is hosting this event. The movie is going to be shown tomorrow at the University of North Dakota in Grand Forks, ND at 8PM. The current version I saw is 90 minutes long and very well made. The copy I viewed is not the final cut as far as I am aware of, but it is made well enough that it could be.

It explores the political bias in todays universities and does a VERY good job of sticking to the facts while at the same time not letting it become dry and boring. If you liked the Penn & Teller BSU episode, you will like Indoctrinate U. It is longer, more in depth, more serious. You can't help but laugh and be mad, at the same time, when watching this movie.

Evan Coyne Maloney does not back down and you can SEE the people he is trying to get answers from trying to BS their way out and get rid of him. They only dig themselves deeper. One particular segment, he is trying to find who approved two VERY rasist flyers that made death threats against a student who published a conservative article. The flyers have the STAMP OF APPROVAL FROM THE UNIVERSITY ON THEM and the person in charge of the department that approves them claims that he does not know who approves them. Does not even know how to find out, etc. It is not a matter of, "Let me look into it and give you a call back." This official is desperatly trying to get out of the hotseat. The film also goes into other issues of bias.

Some of the stuff in the film is funny. He overhears one staff member calling the campus police on him.(He wasn't doing anything wrong, just exercising free speech.) He remarks that the police will never find him based on the description that she is giving them so he goes and gives her his ID so she can give a better description.:eek:

Indoctrinate U is to be released in Theaters and on DVD sometime in the near future. I recomend that everyone watch it if they have the chance to. (Buy a copy and donate it to the public library.) I hope to let the members of this forum become aware of this documentary beacause honest debate and speech about anything (Guns included of course.) in our universities must be allowed no matter how much we may disagree. Professors must not be allowed to use their classroom to preach their political views.

Here are some links:

http://www.onthefencefilms.com/movies.html

http://brain-terminal.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Coyne_Maloney

Thank you for your time.
 
Remember that so many faculty members today are ageing 60s radicals, many men for example went into teaching to dodge the draft, and with the
Counterculture, Marxism, Leftism etc., having been rejected by the vast
majority of the US population, college campuses are where these people are
making their last stand, it's that last place where they can gather and think
"the Revolution is just around the corner."
Also remember the words of William Bennett, who told Joe Biden:
"When liberals talk about education, what they really mean is indoctrination."
 
Correction

I watched the movie again tonight and I need to make a correction. The death threats and racist flyers are two different events and not the same eventas I said in my first post. Where were discussing the movie while it was playing last night and I got mixed up.
 
I went to the College of Business at my University, my profs were all well grounded capitalists making petty good money on the side so they were not liberal leaning..lol.

Now there were a some in the other classes outside the college of business. However, I was 25 when I started back to college and married. I used the wife nagging filter on them. In one ear and out the other ear.
 
Oh sure, I have no doubt that a film with the name "Indoctrinate U" would only being sticking to facts and present a completely unbiased presentation. :confused:

Depending on what universities that are sampled and what departments in universities are sampled, you can draw any myriad of conclusions by only presenting the facts. Sampling and editing of facts can make for whatever reality you want.

I find the irony of these statements fantastic, especially as they were made together.

I hope to let the members of this forum become aware of this documentary beacause honest debate and speech about anything (Guns included of course.) in our universities must be allowed no matter how much we may disagree.
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Professors must not be allowed to use their classroom to preach their political views.
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Translation: Honest debate must be allowed in our universities not matter how much we disagree, but the professors can't be allowed to say anything about which we don't agree.

That is just precious. I just about blew hot chocolate out of my nose when I read that as I was laughing so hard at the irony.

As for professors not being allowed to 'preach' their political views, a lot of the branches of education are very political as they are the fundamental seats for many fields of endeavor. Are you suggesting Poli Sci and Law depts not be allowed to lecture on the importance of the legal system as they see it, that Environmental department not promote environmentalism, that Business depts not promote their financial, capitalistic, anti-environmentalist views?

I have to wonder if the makers of the film actually understand that universities have been political hotbeds for hundreds of years and are often feared by various political regimes. I wonder if the makers of the film actually understand that political views in the US abound strongly on universities because universities thrive and suffer based on political winds. There are no universitys in the US that operate without government funding and some depend heavily on it.
 
Depending on what universities that are sampled and what departments in universities are sampled, you can draw any myriad of conclusions by only presenting the facts. Sampling and editing of facts can make for whatever reality you want.
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Exactly! For every every left-leaning Marxist-loving campus out there, there is a right-wing conservative campus somewhere. There is great diversity not only among universities, but also within universities. A short stroll along my office wing will give you instructors whose pasts are everything from a genuine 1960's hippie radical with a degree from Berkely to a former SF soldier who was the vice-chair of the local Republican party; those who are dues-paying HCI members and those who are certified NRA instructors; and so on.
 
Ah yes the socalist left proclams there is no bias and will come for you in the night if you don't parrot the correct speach. I live in WA and have attended the "debates" at the U of W. Its more like should be allow right wing thoughts or just kill them now kind of "debates". Stalin would love the campus.
 
I don't mean to start a war here. I am meerly giving information about an upcoming documentry. It is not even the final cut and already people are dismissing it as another "Bowling for Columbine", "Fahrenheit 9/11", or "Loose Change".

Feel free do debunk any of the claims within the movie once it is released. What is happening here is exactly what the movie talks about. Automaticly dismissing someone elses ideas as "wrong", branding them with some some not so nice term, and affirming that you are correct without even looking to see if the problem is real. All of this without actualy refuting or even reading any part of the argument.

Nobody on this forum but me has seen this pre-release copy of the documentry. Thus, nobody but me can make an informed critisisim/opinion about it, anything else is simply guessing about the contents. I have submited a few ideas and criticisms to the creator of the film so he can improve it. I am not looking for a debate on this film since nobody but me has seen it. I am merely letting people know about it so they CAN go and see it when it is released and then we can have a debate on its contents.

Exactly! For every every left-leaning Marxist-loving campus out there, there is a right-wing conservative campus somewhere.
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Yea, Northland Community and Technical College and the University of North Dakota really stacks up against Yale.:rolleyes: You are missing the point. Feel free to debunk the contents of the documentary once it is released. I am sure we can have a wonderfull debate.

Just beause you say something is true because of you personal observations does not mean it is. I can SAY, "North Dakota is a conservative state, from my obervation we outnumber Democrats 10 to 1." and that sounds all fine and dandy. However when you do some digging you find that in ND conservtives outnumber liberals only 2 to 1.

Again, feel free to debunk the film if you feel it is unfair to the facts. However do not dismiss it outright because of it's title or because it discusses a topic that you don't like. Especially when you have not even seen it.
 
Funny, I was buried in University work for 6+ years, and never saw nor heard of a "debate". I saw a lot of professors. A lot of textbooks. A lot of homework. A lot of tests. A few people unhappy because they were getting "c"s. Maybe they were busy debating when they should have been learning.

I didn't go to a university to air my dirty laundry. Maybe that's why I never had to pay a dime to do so.
 
America's Colleges

Most of America's colleges are extremely LIBERAL and teach Liberalism/Socialism.
Most Business and Trade Schools are well rounded and are teaching liberalism.
What we must realize is that those liberal college graduates are not the ones who will defend America, unless the Democrats re-instate the draft.
 
I spent 7 years at Vanderbilt University, perceived by many to be a bastion of conservatism. During that time, I had professors change facts to boost their anti-American rhetoric, had professors advance their beliefs as being fact, and watched a speech code be initiated that banned "hate" speech but defined it in such a way that certain hate speech (i.e. any directed towards whites) was not covered.

So, nothing that comes out of universities surprises me anymore.
 
What we must realize is that those liberal college graduates are not the ones who will defend America, unless the Democrats re-instate the draft.
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Really? Just exactly who was it who defended America during the Cold War and ended WWII, huh? You think GEDers developed things like atomic bombs?

Maybe I was mistaught, and those never making it out of 9th grade actually were the inventors of the GPS and lasers that guide smart weapons, or night vision, or heat imagers, or the chemistry that comprises modern explosives.

No, y'see, here's how it actually goes. Those going IN to the universities and involving themselves in USEFUL things, like math, physics, chemistry, engineering, go IN because they are not usually conservative. They don't want to keep believing the wisdom of the old days, but want to be involved in creating the wisdom to come. They go IN liberal, wanting to play with the rules. And it is THEY who rewrite the rules, from which all of the technology that defends America flows, and from which all of the technology that makes America the envy of the world emanates.

Discovering new facts is an inherently non-conservatve activity. Stubbornly adhering to the already-known "facts" is what creates and perpetuates wars over sand lasting 2,000 years, like in the middle east.

Now, perhaps those going into universities for an MBA or some other not-really-belonging-at-a-university activity, rub elbows with the inherently liberal thinkers who happen to be nearby, and thus get the idea that the university is trying to make them liberal.
 
Sorry to be a professor and support gun rights. :D

Right wing and left wing nuts distort the facts. However, if you are one of these nutbags, you don't even know you do it.

Just today, I got my Chronicle of Higher Ed, where there was reasoned debate about an antigun book and three detailed letters to the editor demonstrated the weakness of the book.

Now - how about that? The major professional newspaper of higher ed. had progun info.

About opinion - in my classes, I teach about the role of evolution in the structure of our neural systems. Is that my opinion or do I have to kowtow to antiscientific religious zealots who might be offended if I don't acknowledge their mythologies?

Find a college that only teaches your world view and enjoy it. I think they have tried that system in Iran.
 
Yea, Northland Community and Technical College and the University of North Dakota really stacks up against Yale.
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Don't know the numbers, but I'd hazard a guess that they put out a fair number of graduates. If you get bogged down in the name game at the university level you really have been led down a primrose path to slaughter. The Ivy Leagues get a lot of attention, but most folks graduate from the more down-home, frequently very conservative, institutions.
Automaticly dismissing someone elses ideas as "wrong", branding them with some some not so nice term, and affirming that you are correct without even looking to see if the problem is real.
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Being actively involved in something being discussed gives one a perspective on the problem, or in this case alleged problem.
Just beause you say something is true because of you personal observations does not mean it is.
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No, but I'd suggest being involved with academe in some way or another for close to 20 years does give one a certain level of knowledge about it.
However do not dismiss it outright because of it's title or because it discusses a topic that you don't like. Especially when you have not even seen it.
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You have made certain claims based on your observation of the movie. Some of us have pointed out that your conclusions do not coincide with fact, and have pointed out why that is. The topic is flawed, one doesn't have to see the movie to discuss the premise as presented by you.

Most of America's colleges are extremely LIBERAL and teach Liberalism/Socialism.
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It would be nice if folks would provide some evidence to back up statements like this. Over the years I've expereince 6 colleges, only one of which could be considered liberal in outlook. The other 5 I would call conservative in nature if those were the only options. IME most outside of the Ivy League and the West Coast consortium are apolitical in nature, with a mix of liberal and conservative professors, many (if not most) who try to keep personal politics out of their lectures. Unfortunately, as happens so often, the majority is ignored in favor of a vocal and attention-getting minority.
 
I suppose if a professor came out against segregation a Southern classroom way back when, the same folks here would be preaching that he or she was a Communist or Socialist.

In class, I teach a section on racism and the causes of it. I also say that it is a bad thing to discriminate. Am I a communist? I would have been in the South in the 50's.

Bah - :mad:

I teach analytic skills and principles based on the best knowledge we have at this time. Sometimes, it indicates that some social conservative positions are factually incorrect and bad for us. So, I'm a commie - and you can stew all you want in my class.

BTW - I've been called a left wing bad guy and a right wing bad guy by the students. That's because I use my brain and skewer ideological stupidity relevant to psychology that is counter to facts and scientific analysis.

Some of these analyses have implications for some of the so-called 'moral' positions of nonthinking ideologues. Thus, I shouldn't offend their rigid world views.

Bah, again - :mad:

Don't go to school - live in the woods and wait for the Red Chinese horders or black heliocopters.
 
I sincerely hope this thread is not shut down by a bogus assessment of it being a "conspiracy theory" thread.

I notice it does have a contention that a concerted effort is being made to affect policies.

I wonder if this is a conspiracy theory thread. I don't think so personally, but I just thought I'd bring it up.
 
Gentry, one of the aspects not quite being observed here, is the need for academic discretion. There are academics who do support the RKBA, as professor Meyer is evidence. However, in order to get through the decade (or so, good gods) of education... that it takes to become credible as a prof...
It is necessary to moderate ones speech. Simply because, at many chokepoints, there are people who will use their academic authority to stop the careers of those who too overtly support controversial agendas. Now it's RKBA's and reducing government intrusion. It wasn't that long ago it was other things, including such as child labour laws. And so, expecting some academic, to spout slogans, when confronted by some camera wielding prima donna...is profoundly unrealistic.
Additionally, after having learned both the need to argue a point carefully, often those who do support the RKBA...will phrase it in an idiom which is very different from the local gun shop discussion. And when evaluating students, the standard of proof suitable in a gun show/shop discourse, isn't good enough. So if a student does try to frame serious research, in that manner, it's not appropriate. So it's not necessarily that they're being pilloried for being anti-RKBA. It's their attempt to use an idiom which isn't appropriate for the context.
So if one's expecting a prof to recite the latest 'guns & ammo',as epiphany's, don't. Watch for the carefully placed phrases, which do indicate support. It's simply the way, in academia, they do tend to communicate. Now there are slogan spouting hotheads, who do use coursework for promoting a personal agenda. But in general, outside of their own offices, or delusionary egos, they're not that well regarded.
One of the aspects of a good prof, is the ability to lead, or foster a discussion. Even when it's an opinion they do not hold. So, at times the 'anti-americanism' could be little more than a tactic to promote critical thinking. And anyway isn't being gloriously contrary, about social icons, an American tradition. Plus, just perhaps, labeling academics as lingering fossils from the 60's, or commies and etc...is a fine way to lose support within academia. Not a good idea
 
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