Smith & Wesson, government now disagree on settlement

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Smith & Wesson, government now disagree on settlement http://www.phillynews.com/inquirer/2000/Apr/13/international/SMITH13.htm

By Jonathan Weisman

BALTIMORE SUN
WASHINGTON - Smith & Wesson, America's largest manufacturer of handguns, has issued a "clarification" of its landmark pact with the federal government that would effectively eviscerate much of the gun controls trumpeted by the Clinton administration.

Smith & Wesson's interpretation - posted on its Web site - has forced the company back into talks with the administration that could lead to a protracted court battle.

Administration officials dismissed Smith & Wesson's interpretation as more of a public-relations gambit than a genuine change of heart, but said they would be willing to go to court to force Smith & Wesson into compliance.

"The deal speaks for itself," Neal Wolin, general counsel of the Treasury Department, said of the agreement that Smith & Wesson reached March 17 with federal, state and local officials as a way to settle lawsuits it had faced related to gun violence.

"I think the language of the deal is clear on all these points," Wolin said.

Contrary to the government's interpretation, the gun manufacturer says now, its agreement would compel Smith & Wesson dealers to impose background checks and other gun-sale restrictions only on buyers of Smith & Wesson products.

The government maintains that dealers who wish to sell Smith & Wesson's products must impose such restrictions on buyers of all guns.

Moreover, the company says, the criminal background checks to which it agreed for gun-show sales would not apply to guns sold by private citizens, only to those sold by licensed dealers.

Gun-show sales by licensed dealers are already subject to background checks.

"We can't agree to control things that we have no way to control," said Ken Jorgensen, a Smith & Wesson spokesman.

Federal officials touted Smith & Wesson's accord as a breakthrough, largely because it was supposed to have a broad effect on the firearms industry.

Under the government's interpretation, Smith & Wesson agreed that its products could be sold only by dealers who followed a strict "code of responsibility" for all gun sales, not just sales of Smith & Wesson products.

White House officials acknowledged that there were now stark differences between the administration's position and that of Smith & Wesson, which President Clinton hailed last month as a courageous and visionary company.

Since the deal was signed, Smith & Wesson has come under pressure from gun manufacturers, gun dealers and gun-rights activists, who have accused it of sabotaging the industry.



[This message has been edited by Skyhawk (edited April 13, 2000).]
 
Slick & Wesson has painted itself into a corner and now they`re looking for wiggle room.BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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~Gordon~
 
HA!

It ain't over till it's over!!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>White House officials acknowledged that there were now stark differences between the administration's position and that of Smith & Wesson, which President Clinton hailed last month as a courageous and visionary company. [/quote]

Whatever the reason S&W changed their tune, and me bethinks it be the response of all rightous gunowners, they may well be back on our side, which is the side against Slick & Company!

The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend!

[This message has been edited by Joseph (edited April 13, 2000).]
 
Deals with the devil signed on the crossroads, with the blood of our patriots,
will be enforced by soul-less demons that envoke
the full power of that 4th level balrog, Janet Reno, herself.

dZ
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Joseph:
... The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend ...[/quote]How true! If S&W wants to leave the politically correct side and return to the right side, more power to them. I hope they can find a way out of this entire agreement because I'm sure not going to purchase one of their new, safer, smarter guns.
Share what you know, learn what you don't -- FUD
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Is it any wonder that S&W's lawyers dropped them like a hot potato? These guys are idiots! I sent Shultz an e-mail outlining this very thing and predicting the result. No, I'm not a psychic, I'm just a federal attorney. I know how we handle these contracts.
 
I'd certainly like to see S&W come back from the dark side, but they've already lost 2 sales to me. Before they shot themselves in the foot I had planned to buy a 442 and was giving serious consideration to a 629. Just this week I ordered a Blackhawk in .45 Colt and a Kahr MK9 so I won't be buying any Smith's even if they do come back. I really, really like my pre-agreement 686 though. Its a fine shooting/handling gun.

Concerning S&W's disagreement w/ the gumint over what the agreement means, all I can say is "Well Duh". I think every thinking person who read even a part of the agreement saw this coming.
 
to beat a dead horse, the blackhawk is made by just as bad a sell out.

i do hope s&w can manage to pull their head out though.
 
When I was working for an un-named but thoroughly fouled up federal agency I kept a copy of 'Alice In Wonderland' on my desk, stamped Confidential. Now I know where it went.

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http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/04/13/smith.wesson.ap/index.html

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>However, Smith & Wesson's altered position was backed by the Violence Policy Center, a gun-control group that has criticized the deal from the beginning.

"On its face, the agreement was ambiguous," Kristen Rand, the group's director of federal policy, told the Sun. "It was never clear how Smith & Wesson could impose its will on its competitors."

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And S&W's just now figuring this out?
 
What should REALLY BAKE Smith & Wesson's
noodle is that S&W signed this deal to get out from under the lawsuits and yet S&W is still being sued by six, no; make that 7 cities, despite the Slick & Wesson Sell Out
as Philadelphia has just filed suit against the firearms industry and named S&W as one of the defendants.

2000, unfortunately, is going to be a just altogether too interesting too bare
year for the firearms industry and the
firearms community.

We must all do as much as we can to insure that we still have some second ammendment rights left by election time.

The outcome as regards what is left of
our civil firearms rights is seriously in doubt.

Our end, the unsliced end, of the civil
firearms rights salami is getting altogether too short for comfort.

And the anti civil rights socialist gun
grabbers will be back yet again next year to slice off some more of our civil rights.

It is our job to insure that there is still
something left for them to attempt, yet again,to slice off.

If you don't like this, welcome to the club and lets do something meaningful!
 
Before we all get teary eyed at the radical conversion of Slick & Wesson we need to remember that their decision was not made cause they felt they wronged the Constitution, gun owners or the thought of freedom, but rather becuase they realized that they wont be getting dick from the gov. They realize that each agency that tries to go around the bidding laws will get sued to no end by S&W competitors. They also realize that the gov contracts wont happen for years and arent worth didley when compared to lost sales. The cities are still suing them. Dealers and people dont want their products anymore... Their only reason to negotiate with the gov is to save their worthless little skins. My opinion of them has yet to change. Once a traitor, always a traitor. They only managed to show their true colors: Yellow: for being wimps and not making a stand either way, and Green: for being greedy little bastards who would sell out their own mothers if the price was right.

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"Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes."
-R.A. Heinlein
 
Clinton and his thugs wanted something to get the spotlight off Wayne Lapierre, hence the S&W agreement. Cursory evaluation of the agreement showed it could not stand a civil court test because it interferred with agreements between S&W distributors and other manufacturers. Second, Clinton and his thugs could not allow this thing to be contested in court. Far too much would be exposed. The only options available to the thugs was threaten the opposition (anti-trust investigations) and renegotiate the agreement.

Tell you what to look for. Look for a new agreement that speaks of "intent" to fulfill provisions of the agreement, but have no real teeth. Look for things like performance clauses which promise so much govt business in exchange for holding to provisions. At the end of the day, it will be a sheet of paper with no standing in law. The thugs do not want this thing to get to courts!!!!

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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Barry Goldwater--1964
 
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