Smart Guns are really about preventing revolution

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Rusty S

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I haven't heard this mentioned, but I have the feeling that smart guns aren't about kids and accidents - they are to prevent a gun being taken off a dead cop from being used to get another gun to and foment a revolution.

It is a given that once only the police and military have guns, the government ( feeling secure ) will commit enough outrages the people will want to revolt.

Up to now ( smart gun technology ) the answer has been simple. Find someone with a gun, take it away from them, use it to get another gun, and so on. With smart gun technology, such militants would end up with a dead cop or soldier and a useless gun.

I don't like this scenario. I hope I'm being paranoid. Tell me that, please. What do you guys think? Are they really more concerned about keeping guns out of kid's hands?

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"They asked would I fight for my country; I answered the FBI, yea!
"I will point a gun for my country but, I won't guarantee you which way."
Woody Guthrie
 
Look at it like this: How long would the revolution last if the government could turn off all the guns?


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Better days to be,

Ed
 
I figure if the government is so convenced that guns are bad, that they ought to get rid of theirs first to prove their belief. "You can't lead where you won't go." Same thing with pollution. If they are really concerned about it then why aren't Gore, Clinton and others being chauffered abound in Honda Insights or rickshaws?

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[This message has been edited by Keiller TN (edited June 04, 2000).]
 
I' like to offer my services to the designers and the govt: When they feel they have a suitable smart gun, hand it to me for testing, if I can't make it fire within 72 hous, it's a good design. If I CAN get it to work, its not a smart gun, and becomes MY property! I can always use more toys!
crankshaft
 
Well here I go again. I am sure you missed my post on Smart guns and the Guardian Angel
global positioning chip available now.
I dont remember the url but if your really interested, Ill edit this post to include it.

The digital angel chip is dual use technology that was originally designed to be inplanted under the skin of a person and
via cell phone network and satalite uplink technoligy , recieve gps and transmit the
position of the tagged person.

Original uses should be apparent: keeping track of tagged criminals, mental pacients, people at risk of heart failure,
anyone the govt wants tracked etc.

A cheaper and not so microminuratized
model can easly be made from the pea sized
muscular activity powered unit designed for human implant.

Used as a tracking and identifing and enable / disable trigger function remote control switch, a larger and cheaper battery powered version of digital angel chip can easily be designed and intergrated into smart gun technoligy.

Whenever the authorized user activates his smart gun, your police state overview agent has the ability to override and deactivate your firearm.

This not only keeps unauthorized users from stealing firearms from police and using them to capture yet more guns but also gives Big Brother override shut down on authorized
users as well, along with the make ,model ,serial number,location ,date,time and name and address of the authorized user of the firearm whenever the trigger circuit is energized.

It will be much ,much worst that anyone every thought possible.

The digital angel has not yet pubically been intergrated with smart gun technoligy
but it is only a matter of time.

No one has told Bill Clinton about this chip yet! Or is it the other way around and Bill Clinton has told no one about his plans for this chip yet?

The digital angel also can be used to monitor automobiles, sending their registration data ,location,speed & direction and allowing the police state overview opperator the ability to disable the ignition of monitored vechiles at any time.

The digital angel is a miniture computer
chip capable of being remotely programed and
carring out programed instructions, such as transmitting id & location data and disabling ignition of a car or deactivating trigger function of a firearm.

Some in the government want total government control in all areas and things.

They envision the population able to act only with express government permission to do so.

It is up to us to watchdog the government
so that this does not come to pass.

And we can expect no help from the "Condition White" Sheeple.

Condition White refers to totally unaware of
occurances and unbelieving if told.
Their minds are whited out with pro-govt
nanny state propaganda.
 
Rusty S

You are not being paranoid in the least, because there really is a government conspericy that is out to get us. Be scared, be very scared.

In the other string I was just talking about how Clinton has executive orders power
that he can make laws without Congress voting on them, without any public debate or citizen representation. Clinton, meerly one man, can make law with the stroke of a pen, the law of the land.

When federal firearm registration and licensing of firearms owners comes , it will not be by a lawfull act od Congress but rather via the misuse of executive order
by meerly one man.

S1795 and HB2655 are bills currently in congress to adress just this problem.
http://www.executiveorders.org/
has a email program to your senators & reps.
urging them to sponser this CRITICAL LEGISLATION before Clinton acts to disembowel the second ammendment.

Any guns your dont already own , you should buy before Oct2000. After that, you might be able to pay more than new price for a used gun, id someone would part with it and if private sales are still allowed.


The United Unconstitutional Police States of America........do something about it now, before its too late, or just get used to the idea and take some pictures of your favorite guns because just like the law abiding in England, pictures will be all that you will have left.

BTW, an estimated 3 million crime guns are
currently available to felons in england
but are outlawed for the law abiding.
The English now have an Underground felon's
crime gun market, but if you dont have a criminal record, the felons gun market wont sell a gun to the law abiding.

The have reverse Braidy! You have to have a criminal record to buy a crime gun.

Oh, sure, yea ,right! Gun Control works! Sure,right and Im going to hit the lotto tomorrow too!
 
*sigh* You read far too much into it, as in can't see the forest.
Research and development of an unworkable concept drains industry coffers and drives prices higher, as does litigation against a clearly unwinable suit. Higher prices mean fewer privatly owned guns. Everything else is gravy to them.
 
Rusty S, you are being paranoid. (Actually I only *hope* you are being paranoid, but you did say that you wanted someone to tell you that.) ;)

There are a few flaws in the basic argument here, IMO.

Think about this statement: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rusty S
"...once only the police and military have guns..."[/quote] When do you really think that this will happen? AFAIK, Canada doesn't have a Constitutionaly protected right to keep and bear arms, and they have about 7 million guns in private hands. Their government's effort to register them has been an abyssmal failure! How could the US government ever hope to even register, let alone confiscate all the 250 million guns in America?

Police officers and Government officials will never use the so-called "smart" gun. It's just not going to happen. Why would they handicap themselves?

I don't believe that there is a government conspiracy, nor that "they" are out to get us. "They" are only out to get our money. (They're doing a damn good job of it too) :(

There are a lot of well-meaning people who really think that the "smart gun" will save the lives of innocent children. Maybe it would, maybe not. For most of us here on TFL, our gun's safety is between our ears.

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"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4 Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website
 
ALL gun control initiatives are about stiffling revolution. The fat Oligarchs do not care about the safety and life quality of us serfs. That's all there is to it.
They just want us disarmed to give them peace of mind when they enact more control measures on all of serfdom.
 
A friend of mine is an ASLET trainer of some import. He says they are dead set against these guns for a myriad of reasons.

Also, I really don't think that the goverment is worried about a revolution by gun owners that has the slightest chance.

It is more some folks honest revulsion to guns because they think they are dangerous
and also because guns are a conservative tribal totem and thus most Democrats feel they should attack it.

Vast conspiracies, nope.

The antigun sentiment is much simpler than that.
 
I find it interesting that the more people that join the freedom movement (and we are growing by leaps and bounds) - the more shrill the Feds' cries for gun-control are.

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"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
 
It isn't conspiracy. It's a governments natual drift toward totalitarianism and corruption. It's ingrained elitism and callousnes toward the general population. It's a fear of armed and informed citizens.
This sounds unlikely to you?
 
You are correct sir. Not only can a citizen not take a federal stormtrooper's gun, but once the citizen's guns have the "smart" technology, it's just a matter of time before the gov't introduces a device (supported with appropriate legislation) which instantaneously shuts down all civilian arms at once - something which cannot be done at present.
 
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