Slain Teacher's Widow Files Suit

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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) _ The widow of an English teacher shot outside his classroom in May is suing the gun distributor, a pawn shop and the 13-year-old boy accused of pulling the trigger.

The lawsuit, filed Wednesday, claims gun distributor Valor Corp. and the Hypoluxo Pawn Shop should be held responsible for a teen-ager's access to the handgun that killed 35-year-old Barry Grunow. It claims the gun, a .25-caliber semiautomatic handgun made by now-defunct Raven Arms Inc., lacks safety devices that could prevent unauthorized use.


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Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.
 
While I feel for this woman's loss, the blame needs to be placed on the person who pulled the trigger -- after all, the gun didn't shot itself; it didn't walk to the school itself; etc. As a matter of fact, isn't it already against the law to be on school grounds with a firearm? Maybe she should sue the government for failing to enforce a law that was designed to protect teachers & students.

While we're at it, how many people are injuried and killed by drunk drivers? How about if the families of those victims sue the car markers for making cars that allow a drunk drive to operate them? And of course, let's not leave out suing the car dealers for selling these unsafe cars.

While we're at it, let's everybody sue everybody!
 
I no longer feel sorry for these people.Why?This a money making prposition.This is all they are after.Lets milk the system.Sound synical?Very much so and with reason I think.

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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
 
I feel for this woman and her loss as well. I believe she does need some compensation, but sueing the gun maker is the wrong way to do it. I blame the snakey attorney's for putting these things in her head though. Attorney's are lower than snake s@#$! All they are after is money and let's not forget that they get a percentage of the settlement as well!

I agree with FUD. Let's start sueing the major car makers and dealers. We've already done it to big tabacco and firearms, why not the car makers now? After all, they kill more people then guns do! Realistically, I do believe it is just a matter of time before the car makers do get into a lawsuit as well.
 
This woman has already been given $300,000 from the homeowners insurance of the perps grandfather. It was his gun and his home where it was stolen from.
This is a case of either
A) Revenge, she wants everyone to pay for the loss of her husband.
B) Greedy lawyers

[This message has been edited by Mordwyn.45 (edited October 05, 2000).]
 
And when countries go to war. Then who will be sued? Will it held to a weapon manufacturer, or the soldier, or the CO, or the branch of service the soldier was charged to, or the government. WHO?

This idea that someone else is also responsible is ludricrous. It is all about greed. And the governments are all behind this as well.
Especially when it involves a firearm. Of course this concern will end when it's soldiers, or mercenaries(Hessians), killing the unarmed citizens. Then it will be the citizens faults for being ssomewhere they shouldn't have been...
 
Local amplification of the story follows:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Teacher's widow sues, targets guns

By Noah Bierman, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Thursday, October 5, 2000


WEST PALM BEACH -- Slain teacher Barry Grunow's widow filed suit Wednesday against the distributor of the cheap handgun used to kill her husband on the last day of school.

"If I get a judgment against this distributor, I can tell you that tens of thousands of guns will be removed from the shelves," said Bob Montgomery, Pam Grunow's attorney.

Grunow is also suing the Hypoluxo Pawn Shop, which originally sold the gun, and Nathaniel Brazill, the seventh-grader who pulled the trigger outside Grunow's classroom. Brazill now sits in jail, awaiting a first-degree murder trial for the May 26 Lake Worth Middle School shooting. Brazill was sued through his mother, Polly Powell.

The suit follows a tide of litigation filed by cities against gun manufacturers in recent years. A national nonprofit organization, the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, is joining Montgomery as co-counsel along with local lawyer Edna Caruso. The center has participated in many of the gun suits, including one filed by Miami-Dade County. Judges in some states have dismissed the suits, while others have let them proceed.

"It may be very viable," said Gerald Kogan, a retired Florida Supreme Court chief justice who now serves on the University of Miami's law school faculty. "This goes along with the lawsuits against bars for serving booze to people who are already intoxicated."

The gun distributor named in the suit, Valor Corp. of Florida, is based in Sunrise. A company officer said President Burt Newton was out of town. She declined to comment further.

Grunow is not suing the Raven .25-caliber semiautomatic handgun's manufacturer -- Raven Arms Inc. of Industry, Calif. -- because it is no longer in business, the suit says.

Elmore McCray, the family friend from whom Brazill stole the gun, settled with the Grunow family two weeks ago, Montgomery said. His homeowners insurance company paid Grunow $300,000, Montgomery said. McCray had no comment.

A spokesman for Pam Grunow said she also did not want to comment.

The suit calls the Raven a "Saturday Night Special" and claims it is low quality, inaccurate and disproportionately used by juveniles and criminals. It claims distributors should have foreseen that a young person like Brazill could easily get one and conceal it from a school security guard.

The Raven .25, available for as little as $80, does seem popular among young criminals. A U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms study released last year said it appeared most often when police in Miami were tracing guns used by suspects 17 and younger.

The annual study covered 27 cities, but did not produce national figures. Overall, the gun was the ninth most popular gun traced in Miami for the year ending July 1998, the most recent period with data available.

Hoping to change practices

Montgomery said he hopes a big verdict will change industry practices. In particular, he said he wants the gun taken off the market. Jon Lowy, an attorney with the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, said he wants to force gun companies to put safety locks on the guns.

The Palm Beach County Commission voted in August to require adults who have children around to keep guns under safety lock. Commissioners are expected to give the law final passage this month.

Among the center's successes was a settlement it and several cities reached with Smith & Wesson in March. The nation's largest gunmaker agreed to adopt a slew of changes in the way it makes and markets guns, including shipping all guns with child safety locks and improving its gun-tracking capability.

"This suit would have no effect on law-abiding people, responsible adults being able to use guns if they so choose," Lowy said.

Irving Mandel, the Hypoluxo Pawn Shop owner, said he was following the law when he sold the gun 13 years ago to a man who is now dead.

ATF officials inspected his records after Grunow was shot and did not arrest him. McCray told authorities he got the gun seven years ago from the original owner's wife.

"It's getting to be really obscene," Mandel said. "Tie up the court with stupid cases, take advantage of somebody's death and make some money from it."

Defense praises suit

Montgomery said he is not taking this case for the money but to take Saturday Night Specials off the street.

George Russum, president of the Second Amendment Coalition of Florida, said the fact that the guns are cheap shouldn't be used against them. Poor people deserve the right to protect themselves as much as people who can afford better guns, he said.

"It's like the people that go buy used cars because they have to have a means of transportation getting around," he said.

Although Brazill was named in the lawsuit, his attorney praised Montgomery for filing it. Civil penalties are the least of the 14-year-old defendant's problems, he said.

"Montgomery can't go into court and say 'Bad kid, bad gun,' " attorney Bob Udell said. "He's got to go in and say 'Good kid, bad gun.' "

Staff writers Clay Lambert and Marc Caputo contributed to this story.

noah_bierman@pbpost.com
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Sometimes you move to hell, and sometimes hell moves to you.

For those of you so fourtunate to live in less hostile climes, I'd like to offer some observations as a local.

Robert Montgomery, a.k.a. "Billion Dollar Bob", is fresh from winning Florida's lawsuit against the tobacco industry. When the settlement for something over 10 billion dollars was announced, Montgomery's firm filed a lawsuit against the state, demanding over a billion (yes, "billion" with a "b") dollars in attorney's fees.

Mongomery was retained by Ms. Grunow within hours of her husband's death. In addition to the $300,000 dollar settlement mentioned earlier, the widow has received $20,000 in personal life insurance, $25,000 from the state Victim's Compensation Trust Fund (for state employees killed on the job), and will receive her husband's full salary of $40,809 each year until 2017, when he would have retired. In addition, she and her children will also have full health insurance paid for by the local school district until that date.

This totals well over a million dollars already, and in addition to the gun-related suits, Montgomery won't rule out sueing the school district for liability. How may of us would receive this kind of compensation if we were killed on the job?

In local television coverage of the story, Montgomery was interviewed handling a .25 Raven, slide closed, finger on the trigger, gesticulating about with the weapon. As the camera was focused in a tight shot of the firearm, the muzzle crossed the plane of the view several times. Presumably, this means that Montgomery was also pointing the gun, finger on the trigger, at the camera-person's head.

As a line of legal reasoning, this suit is akin to a car manufacturer and dealer being sued for a car that was privately resold, stolen, and then used in the commission of a crime.

With all due respect to Brazill's attorney (none at all), I'd have to say "Bad kid, cheap gun, rich widow".

(As an aside, the Post is running a message board on the subject here. Not apparently very active, though.)

[This message has been edited by RepublicThunderbolt (edited October 06, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RepublicThunderbolt:
In addition to the $300,000 dollar settlement mentioned earlier, the widow has received $20,000 in personal life insurance, $25,000 from the state Victim's Compensation Trust Fund (for state employees killed on the job), and will receive her husband's full salary of $40,809 each year until 2017, when he would have retired. In addition, she and her children will also have full health insurance paid for by the local school district until that date.

This totals well over a million dollars already....
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And how much of it did she get to keep, and how much went into the pockets of the lawyers? I have read that in contingency suits the plaintiff's lawyers often get up to 70% of the settlement, which would give them $210,000 out of the $300,000.
 
I added my $0.02 worth to that board ... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Whose Liable? by FUD

If I understand correctly, the question is "Should gun sellers and distributors be held liable in murders?" Before I comment on that, more people are injuried & killed by drunk drivers than by illegal use of firearms ... THAT'S A FACT!

Should car makers AND car dealers be sued for selling cars which are not equipped with some type of safety devise which will prevent a drunk driver from driving?

If we're so concerned about the children and safety, shouldn't we go after the bigger killers first in order to save MORE lives? Cars kill 18 times more people than guns. Why isn't something being done about this? If the goal is to save lives, then we should attack this problem before dealing with the gun issue.

Instead, cities all over the country are suing gun makers for the crimes committed with their product. Yet it is already illegal to be on school grounds with a firearm. Yet this law is not enforced. If it was, this man would still be alive. So, our elected officials removed a means of self defense for law abiding citizens but does not enforce that law against criminals -- thereby leaving those in schools defenseless against this type of violent attack.

Maybe the government should be sued for failing to protect it's citizens and at the same time resticting the ability of it's citizens to protect themselves.
[/quote]... and I would encourage other TFL'ers to chime in as well.
 
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