skeeter skelton and the 44 special

Gulfcowboy

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Recently I discovered the writings of the late great skeeter skelton. After reading his high praise of the 44 special I have a deep desire for a ruger blackhawk in 44 special. I've owed a 45 colt blackhawk in the past, but traded it off. Dose anyone here have any experience with the 44 special? Is it as great as he wrote it was? Thanks for any input given.
 
I read Skeeter when he was still alive and Shooting Times
was publishing his stuff.

A highly entertaining writer.

I too wanted a .44 Special.

And when I got one, no less than in a Smith
Model 24, I was tickled pink. And I got
the reloading supplies to do it justice.

Alas, for me it was not the magical caliber he
so dearly loved. Over time I found that when
I wanted a big bore, .44 or .45, I was just
as happy with the Model 29 though less
so with the Model 25 because of chamber
tolerances. I could load the .44 Mag down
to .44 Special easily and I think the loads
were accurate. And brass was so easy to
get.

He also waxed eloquent over the Model 27 in
the 5-inch barrel. When I got one, I found I
really didn't care for it any more than the Model
27 in 4 inches.

Perhaps he was a more refined appreciator of the
various things he touted but I came to believe
to each his own.

As to the Blackhawk, you won't go wrong but if
you get a .44 Mag, I don't think you'll be unhappy
either even if you never ever, ever shoot a .44 Mag
from it.
 
Recently I discovered the writings of the late great skeeter skelton. After reading his high praise of the 44 special I have a deep desire for a ruger blackhawk in 44 special. I've owed a 45 colt blackhawk in the past, but traded it off. Dose anyone here have any experience with the 44 special? Is it as great as he wrote it was? Thanks for any input given.
I have owned two. I had a .44 Special made from S&W Highway Patrolman M28 in the middle-late seventies. I no long have it...sold it, but it was a favorite for many years. I still have S&W 696 which is a stainless 5-shot on the L-frame, it is a pre-lock gun (as all my S&W's are).
 
I have a Ruger Blackhawk Bisley in 44 Special, and it is a fun gun to shoot. One advantage is that the 44 Special Blackhawk is made on the smaller flattop frame, so it's a bit smaller than the 44 Magnum Blackhawk. It appears that it's currently only made with the Bisley grip frame; model numbers are 5235, 5236 and 5249. Ruger is also chambering the 44 Special in the GP100, if you want a DA revolver.

Skeeter was one of my all time favorite writers, but he probably waxed a bit poetic on the virtues of the 44 Special. No doubt that he was one of its biggest proponents and had several 357 Blackhawks converted to 44 Special.
 
Does anyone have any experience with .44 Special? I thought everyone shot .44 Special :) . One of my most favorite cartridges. Load up with the Skeeter load and you a fine accurate shooting cartridge. When Ruger and Lispeys got together and produced the .44 Special Flattop on the medium frame a few years ago ...now why that was .... Purrrrrfet. As Taffin put it, "Victory at Last"! See, back in the '50s' when Ruger introduced the .357, it was fully expected that the .44 Special and .45 Colt would be coming 'shortly' on the same frame. That didn't happend because the .44 Magnum was introduced shortly thereafter on the large frame.... A lot of OM .357s were converted to .44 Special over the years to compensate.... Today, the .44 Special has made into the Ruger New Vaquero line of revolvers, Blackhawks with different grip frames and barrel lengths, as well as the GP-100. I don't know if S&W still makes .44 Specials (I've never owned S&W, because they don't make Single Actions).

Here is some articles on the good o' .44 Special : .44 Special Articles

It is a reloader cartridge if you want to get the most out of it. {edited } I tested a lot of of different powders with a 240g SWC and it was 'hard' to find a 'bad' combination. Most all the tests are marked as accurate or accurate+ in my notes.

Yes, I am a .44 Special fan...
 
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A great caliber and a fine writer...I too read his monthly installments in Shooting Times and longed for a .44 Special, especially in a single action. Skeeter's writing style has always been the standard by which I judge gun writers...down home, truthful without a hint of brag...he always sounded like the guy down the block that's ready to bust some caps with ya... His articles on DA's as well as SA's are not dated, and only his bullet choices could be upgraded...I recommend reading all you can find written by him...and his books, two I think, go for over $100 when you can find them.

I waited a LONG TIME getting my first .44 Special, finally finding a M24 Smith with that long 6+" bbl. It was and still is a fine shooting revolver. It doesn' t get much range time any more but it's still tight as a tick and will throw those beautiful Keith style LSWC's in tight little clusters that you can stick a finger through.

Later, when Ruger came out (through Lipseys) with a .44 Special ('06 or '07 was it?), I quickly ordered one of the first 4-5/8" bbl'd ones....to date, I've never fired a smaller group at 25 yds than the one I put through that gun on the 2nd day I owned it. Skelton's load (7.5 gr of Unique behind any good 240 gr LSWC for 950 fps from most bbl's.) did the trick and it's still my favorite carry combination.

I liked that gun so much that I found another with the 5-1/2" bbl. and low and behold, it too is a tack driver...but not as convenient to carry in a waist belt holster. Later, I found another 4-5/8" bbl'd one, but in Stainless Steel....this last is a joy to carry and use, and regularly accompanies me on horseback as it's virtually immune to sweat etc.

If you're looking for a SA, then one of the Ruger's is the route to go...they're out there waiting...for day in day out carry, the 4-5/8" bbl. will ride high on your belt and not dig you in the short ribs when you're mounted on a 4x4, jeep or truck. Too, I've found virtually zero difference in group sizes between the 4+" and 5+" bbl's from field positions.

Lastly, Smith came out with their M69, ostensibly a .44 Magnum (which it will shoot with precision) but at 38 oz. it'll kick the hell out of your middle finger. It makes more sense to me to use it as a 5-shot .44 Special...and in that role it's a beauty offering DA fire when needed or just for fun, or the precision of SA work. I've got one, carry it often as it's 1/2 a lb. lighter than my Rugers.

HTH's Rod .... can ya guess, I'm a true fan of the .44 Special....and BTW, it's the easiest caliber I've ever hand-loaded for when looking for a tack driving combination.
 
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I've got 2 - 5.5" Lipseys Bisleys. Great shooting and easy to load for. I use a 255 Keith from mattsbullets.com. Over 8gr of Unique, it's a dandy. They weigh 12oz less than my SBH and I can push 240JSP to 1200 if I need more power.
 
Another big 44 Special fan. And a bigger Skeeter Skelton fan.

My first 44 Special was a 4", S&W 24-3, that I truly regret having to sell. It was one of something like 2700 made. At the same time I owned a 4" Model 29 and even I wondered why? Finally when holding them side by side I realized the 24 was a lighter, trimmer, more svelte version of the 29. The barrel was tapered, the cylinder shorter. and it seems to me there was another difference, but I forget what it was. Basically it was a totally different gun. (The same applies to the Model 15/Model 19 also.)

Alas, I had to sell both during a personal economic downturn. :o

I've had a couple of Charters, and a single-action 44 Special over the years, but I never cared for them as much as the Model 24.

These days, I've got a Taurus Tracker in 44 Magnum (about the same nich as the S&W 69), and it will never see a 44 magnum round. At least not as long as I've got it. I've got brass and such for 44 special, and paper targets at the range don't take a lot of killing.
 
The first handgun I ever bought as a kid was a Colt New Service ($29.95) in .45 Colt. the gun had been a .455 but was reamed to .45 Colt. I had the gun rebuilt to .44 Special after reading Elmer Keith. That got away from me and my next .44 Special was a Charter Bulldog. Then for a long time I was .44 Special-less.

A few years ago I rediscovered the .44 Special, having a custom job made up from a Three Screw Ruger .357 Blackhawk by Dave Clements. Then came more:



Two Colt New Frontiers, the Ruger, and an Uberti. Not shown is a more recent Blackhawk Flat Top.



The .44 Special is sort of special, a .44 caliber in a somewhat smaller frame. The photos don't seem to show much difference, but a trained hand knows!

Bob Wright
 
Yes, I was/still am a Skeeter Skelton devotee. I have only one 44 Special, a Charter Arms Bulldog. IMHO the 44 Special is like the 38 Special-the ancestor of a more powerful round, and a good shooter in its own right.
 
Alright gentle men let me roll in another question. Ive found my hearts desire on buds guns, but I'm toren between two. A stainless Ruger super Blackhawk 5.5" barrel in 44mag. They also have a Blackhawk 4.62" barrel in 44 special. Im drawn to the option to fire two different rounds with the 44mag. I know the weight will be more. Of course I couldn't find out just how much in the description box. Would I be losing anything going with the 44mag?
 
no, the 44 mag will out pace the 44 spl by a lot. if you may incounter big animal that may bite you the 44 mag or even the 454 casall may be called for. I shot thru a large doe rear to front at about 40-50 yards running away, I put the bullet about 1/2 inch to the left of the bung hole and the 240 hard cast bullet at close to 1000 fps exited on the right side of her chest. she hit the ground dead.
 
Bob Wright, as always, Bob, great pics and we think alike...

My first 44 Special was a 4", S&W 24-3
Cajun, that's one of my grail guns...the 4" model...I let one get away one time, having forgotten the old adage,"Never bet your pistol against a good man with a rifle!"

My son, then 13 years old, was a dead shot with his Marlin "Mountie" .22 and we'd been shooting pine cones out to 25 yds or so all afternoon. So at one juncture, I bet him I could hit 3 in a row if he could do the same.

In a matter of one minute, he won....and the M24 4"er went to him. He's got it still, I get to shoot it from time to time, and there it'll stay. lBut I don't know who learned more...I suspect it was him. BTW, he's 47 now.

Best Regards, Rod
 
Here is a New Model Blackhawk, in .45 Colt, and a New Model Blackhawk Flat Top in .44 Special; the .44 Magnum will be the same size as the .45. Not much difference in the photo, but as I said, there is a considerable difference in the hand:



Heft one then the other will demonstrate the difference, which the hand will notice right away.

Bob Wright
 
If you would like to gain some further insights into the 44 Special , 44 Magnum , 45 Colt and to an extent the 41 Magnum pick up a book "Sixguns" by Elmer Keith .
He wrote a few other books but Sixguns deals directly with revolvers.
Another good read is his book " Sixgun Cartridges & Loads " most have been reprinted and are available on Amazon .
I grew up reading and learning from both Skeeter Skelton and Elmer Keith.
Their words and advice are still sound and very interesting .
Gary
 
I've owned 6 .44 SPLS, 5 of them were models 624/24 with barrel lengths of 4" or 6". The last one was a Taurus 445 with 2" barrel.

The N frames are very capable of shooting some respectable loads that can do most of what the .44 Mag can do. A 250 gr bullet at 1100 fps is no slouch. And it can be shot all day long without causing you pain.

The small Taurus was good as a defensive pistol shooting 200 gr bullets, it was my carry gun for a number of years.

After 20 years I'm still not over the SPL bug yet, but I'm down to only 3.

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There are many excellent revolver cartridges and the 44 Special is certainly one of them. But generally it requires a large frame revolver (which Skeeter favored). I think I currently have four 44 Specials in stock. A Colt SAA that I sought as a direct result of reading Skeeter's work. I wanted a 4" 1950 44 Target like he often carried but never saw one (still haven't) and settled for a pair of 5" models. And a 3rd Model 44 from 1928 in nickel with ivory stocks. No Skeeter influence on this one.

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Gulfcowboy, if you're drawn to the 44 Special, that's what you should buy. I know lots of folks like the idea of more than one cartridge from the same gun, but in practice, I think you give up the virtue of the Special in a pistol built for the Magnum. The Super Blackhawk is heavy for a reason. I shoot my 44 Mags from a Redhawk, but I do shoot "nuclear" 45 Colt loads from a standard BH. Knuckle busters for sure, and I don't load them much anymore.

What Skeeter (and Elmer - definitely look up a copy of Sixguns) advocated in a "fighting" revolver was a fairly heavy bullet at moderate velocity. And of course, the "Keith" bullet had this in mind. Elmer actually liked the old 41 Long Colt. The 44 Special meets this requirement exactly. The flattop BH in 44 Special is really pleasant to shoot, and in most cases it's "enough gun".
 
Post #2 was great. I feel the same way. I bought a Super BH and load light 44 mag loads for it. I have a Marlin 44 mag rifle so wanted a revolver to go with it.

Gunwriters can talk you into stuff with their articles. Jan Libourel did that to me when he wrote about the 41 mag. I ended up with three of them but in the end I decided the 44 mag was better all around.

I did buy 44 special dies just in case I ran across a 44 special revolver I wanted. The Flat Top Ruger came out with looked like the best of the bunch but I never bought one. I did just go to the Ruger sight to see what they had and the Bisley versions look good. But so do the GP-100s.

Oh well, dare to dream.:rolleyes:
 
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