Single Issue Voters

jaydee

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Hey fellas, I am looking for some advice.

I had a pleasant dinner last night with one of those "Single Issue" voters, you know, the ones, they are concerned about a "Womans Right to Choose". She is an in-law, intelligent, (early 30's) professional, married, and no kids yet.

Fortunately, this one is not "anti-gun", so many of the "life" arguments don't apply. We did discuss ways to mediate the issue, to find common ground on High-Risk, Late-Term Abortions, and ways to decrease the incidence of Abortion. The fact that minors need to include their parents in the decision is important.

Funny part about this, I have always supported a womans right for choice. My wife leans to the "Pro-Life" side. The church is obviously "anti-choice". When our 15 year old daughter announced she was pregnant 9 years ago, my wife and I were still "dating", and I threw my comments out there, that she was too young to consider this, that she needed to consider abortion. My wife was not in a position to raise another child, and I certainly didn't want the responsibilty.

I do feel that we should do everything we can to decrease the incidence, and that with choice, comes certain responsibilties, but her fears are that the Republicans will take it away, just as we fear the Democrats will abolish the 2nd.

In the end, our daughter had the baby, and today, I would never trade him for the world, but here life has been rough, and she has relied on us often for assistance. Sometimes, I was in a position to provide, sometimes not.

I still consider myself to side more towards choice, than anti-choice. The conflict is at times hard, as I support small government, and a government that does not impose it's will upon me. Much of this is counter to the "Pro-Life" position. On the other hand, it's an issue that would not affect my vote in either way.

We did get into the engagement on character, and on integrity. I know she has concerns at this point about Joe Lieberman's "Flip-Flopping" on positions, and may swing to the right.

She is in the same position as myself, CA homeowner, and makes well into the 6 digits, so the Tax-Cuts were a minor issue.

Anyone care to provide any comments on things that could possibly help sway this voter. I am not interested in discussing my views on the issue of choice, that is not the topic. My goal is to try to swing a few votes away from Gore.
 
Jaydee, I'm not the most persuasive guy in the world, but the more persuasive types haven't sounded off yet, so here are some thoughts:

The Republicans/conservatives will lose on the abortion issue, and before too much longer. Can she tolerate a delay on one issue in exchange for her rights on the Second, Fourth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments. Okay, one of those is states' rights, but it's still a hefty chunk of the Bill of Rights trampled in the name of a quick fix of the inevitable.

Also, if the quality of life that adults enjoy is a major concern for her, it gets hard to justify voting for the guy who wants to make Phoenix as safe as D.C., rather than the other way around. After all, those women at the parade in N.Y. had a "right to choose" not to be molested. Gore's cronies sure took that away from them, though, didn't they?

Good luck,

Steve
 
Consider a Libertarian position - Pro Choice On Everything!

Seriosly, I had the chance to meet Harry Browne not long ago, and as I told him, he's renewed my faith in his generation.
 
jaydee, I'm pro choice on everything also.

The way I look at it is that the 2A is the ultimate guarantor of all our other rights, without the right and means to defend our freedom (of choice) , our other rights don't mean squat!
I vote pro 2A first and foremost, so that I can later defend my other rights (of choice)
 
I agree, Choice is Choice.

You are under the impression that women do not have the right to choose. You are wrong. Women are choosing to have unprotected sex nine months before birth. WTF are women doing having unprotected sex these days anyway? Women are 4 - 6 times more likely to contract STD's like AIDS from a man than vice versa. Tell your friend that she may not care for the fetus or child, but care for herself and leave a skin on the bananna. Any woman who gets pregnant outside of her wishes these days is as stupid as the person who puts a gun to their head and pulls the trigger HOPING the gun is unloaded.

With 6 year olds learning about sexual intercourse from Disney screenings, everybody- even your home-schooled cherubs- knows where babies come from, it should be easy to reduce pregnancies. For those who think that their portfolio is more important than families, 1 rubber = $0.75. 1 abortion = $125 - $1000 if you are paying for it. ! unwanted child, slightly more. A life time supply of Drug Cocktails to keep the T-Cell count high, $400 day.

Women have a choice, use a rubber.

Rant off.
 
Well... I have explained that the course to reverse Roe v Wade was next to impossible, and that it was unlikely that it would ever come up.

Figure that for any case to make it to the Supreme Court, a lower court would have to hear a Tort related to someone exercising their right, granted by the Roe v Wade decision. Who has standing, and legal precedent to bring such an action, a family member? Not likely... The Father of the unborn, maybe... Again, not likely, but certainly possible.

So the Tort is heard, an appeal, and back and forth at least 3 or 4 times, before it could ever get to the US Supreme Court, and maybe, if everyone pushed this through, it may only take 10 years.

I nned to find out how old the principle was when the Roe v Wade case was finally decided, wasn't it some 12-13 years?

Anyway, her fears are unfounded, but I really was hoping for some info to help make the point.
 
I re-read the original post, sorry for the rant.

Cheney said it best the other day, we are for cuts, they are for credits. Gore and Lieberman have expressedly stated their intention to improve and manhandle tasks that are not in presidential purview. If Bush states that 6% influence in local schools will not allow the president much flex than Gore will say Bush does not care.

When Gore was walking with Muhamed during the foundations of the Muslim faith during a democratic fund raising event- Lieberman could not be there, Clinton was busy with Sheeba in Egypt, he stated that he exists solely for the children. His policies outside of the for the children rhetoric do not really stand on their own. His for the children rhetoric is not his job. He will have no influence and that is the difference between B&G. Bush is only promising things that if he were not such a whore, he would accomplish and can.
 
Sensop - no, its a highly relevant topic, as there are a huge number of single issue voters out there who believe in RKBA, but vote against it because of their other issue (most often abortion). If we could remove that issue from the equation we'd gain allies.

Case in point, Jaydee's situation. Mine is similar - many women I know vote knee-jerk Democratic, based on the abortion issue. Many men I know vote knee-jerk Republican, based on RKBA. They're all wrong :). The Dems sell us down the river on everything, and the Repubs are right behind 'em. From my earlier post, you can guess my (unfortunately impossible, at this time) solution.

By the way, Steve has an excellent point about the death of the abortion issue. For a good synopsis see:

http://civilliberty.about.com/newsissues/civilliberty/library/weekly/aa100200a.htm

Now, arguing about abortion itself is off-topic, and I'm not trying to start a fight here. But how do we convince relatively intelligent pro-choicers that there's a more important fight going on?
 
This may seem a little off topic but the term pro-choice is a complete propaganda term. A person could say I'm pro-choice and be completely against any sort of legal abortion because you've failed to define what the choice is. Yet somehow much of society accepts the term pro-choice to mean something about abortion.

My question is why can't firearm owners try to steal this term, since the public likes it so much. We could use it for concealed carry. That way people could say, I'm not for concealed carry, I'm pro-choice, I think it is up to the individual to decide how best to protect themselves, and that might mean carrying a concealed firearm. Think such a ploy has any chance?
 
Valdez - I don't know if we could use the term "pro-choice", as it has a powerful connotation, linking it with the abortion issue.

Many are using the terms "pro-freedom" to describe ourselves and "anti-freedom" to describe the gun grabbers. Much better connotation thatn "pro-gun" and "anti-gun" in the minds of those who think more emotionally than logically.

Any other ideas on how to pitch our ideas?
 
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