Silencers

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Has there been any effort by the NRA or others to attempt to remove silencers from the NFA restrictions? Seems to me this is a possibly winnable fight, given the benefits of silencers (reduced hearing damage and annoyance to others). Even gun-phobic nations like the U.K. don't have the restrictions on silencers that we do.

Are there insurmountable legal problems that keep us from picking this fight, or is it due to apathy from most of us?
 
I don't think it's a winnable fight any time in the foreseeable future.

I think Hollywood has poisoned the well to the point where it's not worth pursuing.

Suppressors are almost always depicted as assassin's tools, not safety devices,so this is how the public thinks of them.
 
Silencers have their advantages as well as some disadvantages. But people who don't have the knowledge about them seem to frown on them. Which is most people.
 
I think it would potentially be a winnable fight, but for now I don't know that there's a significant groundswell of support for it. Many states have their own restrictions on suppressor ownership, so even if we manage to get them removed from the NFA on the federal level it won't mean much to some in certain states.

IMO, while it would be nice, I think a good place to begin would be to try and get the NFA branch to speed up approvals... imagine if a Form 4 went through in less than a month instead of taking six.
 
Pragmatically, it isn't going to happen with the current set of players in the Congress, White House or SCOTUS - even after any possible election outcomes.

Too much going on in the country and world to deal with that.

Would be nice though.
 
I would just like to be able to have one...even if i had to buy the stamp and wait:mad:

I think it would be a winable battle. However there are far more important gun rights issues on the table IMHO
 
It would be nice but I don't think it's a winnable (or even "fightable") fight in the near future.

Most Americans have generations of thinking that suppressors are "illegal" and they're illegal because they're "evil".

By and large, American's don't see them as useful tools to protect ears and reduce noise pollution, they see them as an assassins tool with no purpose except killing in silence.

Add to that Glenn's point, and you've got a battle that won't even be fought, say nothing of won.
 
Pragmatically, it isn't going to happen with the current set of players in the Congress, White House or SCOTUS
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The problem is that they're regulated by the NFA, and we'd have to challenge that as a whole. That includes machine guns and things like the Street Sweeper.

Any effort to repeal the NFA at this time would lead to accusations that we want OMAGERD MACHINE GUNS ON OUR PLAYGROUNDS, and we'd be swamped.

Essentially, the NFA is a tax on a civil right, and the Supreme Court has found that unconstitutional as applied to the 1st Amendment, but we're a ways off from doing so with the 2nd. There are other roadblocks to clear first.
 
In WA last year, a basic anti (not rabid) democrat gov signed a bill to allow legally held silencers in WA State...repealing part of what another (rabid) anti demo govenor had banned them (and other NFA items) in 1994)

The argument that won...Hearing damage.
 
An aside question. Don't know where else to put it

Maybe this is a subject for Myth Busters.

Grocery Store Fiction has mentioned stuff ranging from mty Milk/OJuice jugs to Oil filters and mufflers for lawn mowers as expedient ways to muffle sound. Movies and TV seem to favor throw pillows.

Does any of that have even a faint ring of truth attached? Remotely plausable?

Thanks,

salty
 
Battles have been won handily on state levels while those self same issues get zero traction at the federal level. Otherwise, we'd have seen nationwide CCW by now.

I tend to agree with those who say it will be well-nigh impossible to get any momentum for this kind of thing federally, at least for the time being. We'd need to get more people interested in it by making new suppressor owners. IMO, the obstacle to this is neither the $200 tax stamp nor the other NFA hurdles, but rather the glacial pace to the entire process. If I could get my hands on a suppressor in a matter of 4-6 weeks from placing my order and plunking down cash, I'd likely have more than I do now (those I do have ended up being about a 10 month wait once everything was factored in).

It would likely be easier to insert a mandated time interval for the ATF to do their thing- limit them to 30 or 45 days, and if needed, even give a tax increase of $50 to hire more people to get it done. That would speed up everything- SBRs, AOWs, the whole of the NFA world.
 
Grocery Store Fiction has mentioned stuff ranging from mty Milk/OJuice jugs to Oil filters and mufflers for lawn mowers as expedient ways to muffle sound. Movies and TV seem to favor throw pillows.
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I've heard that potatoes do a pretty reasonable job.
 
It rings true as a Federal Felony, I can tell you that much.
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I do know of one case in which a soda bottle was used, and the person was charged. He beat the charges, but the legal fees were fairly epic.
 
The former owner of AAC reportedly said they were lobbying to have silencers claassified as AOW so they could sell more. They didn't actually want them removed from the NFA because then they would have increased competition for that market.
 
Grocery Store Fiction has mentioned stuff ranging from mty Milk/OJuice jugs to Oil filters and mufflers for lawn mowers as expedient ways to muffle sound. Movies and TV seem to favor throw pillows.
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Oil filters there is truth to, but I think its a case of life imitating art not the other way around. Meet the EconoCan
 
The former owner of AAC reportedly said they were lobbying to have silencers claassified as AOW so they could sell more. They didn't actually want them removed from the NFA because then they would have increased competition for that market.
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Wouldn't that let everyone sell more and increase competition?

It would be nice if supressors were much less expensive than throw pillows.
 
Yes, but the ban in question was a state-level one, not the NFA itself
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Tom, it is true that this was a state level fight, but Law Enforcement lead that fight, for health reasons.

I do not see why LE cannot do the same at the federal level...for hearing health reasons, especially now that we have obama care and it will save the gov money.
 
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