Silence of the lambs: the IL shootings

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This is absolutely weird. We have five people killed in a workplace shooting, and nobody's on the talk shows. No Sarah, no Feinswein, no Chuckie, nobody. CNN didn't do a big splash, nor MSNBC, nor Fox. Even Geraldo passed on the story. What gives?

So I'm left with a couple of ideas. One, the shooter is an older black male. There's no teenager angle to it, and after what's happened to Jesse Jackson the past couple of weeks, any focus on the shooter could tick off Jesse's defenders. I noticed also that all the talk tonight was the "outrage" being expressed by the usual Clinton defenders over what they belatedly discovered was shocking behavior by the Clintons, better know to the rest of us as business as usual. True, it happened in a gun-controller's paradise, but the Wakefield shootings did as well.

Could it be that, after deciding gun control wasn't a winning issue, and after bashing Ashcroft, the anti's have decided to let a shooting pass and wait until another occurs when the timing is more convenient to them?

This is completely out of form for them. Something is wrong.

Dick
 
Well isn't nice to be able to deal with a murder just as a crime and not as a political opportunity?
The media is now muted because there are a diifernt set of people in power that have a different set of priorities.
I always believed that the climate would change as soon as we got Clinton/Gore out of office.
Cannot you all see how hypocritical and cynical the last administration was (bet you can!)? Now there is nothing in it. No gain on "feeling your pain".
 
Well, I heard about this tragedy on the radio, but know nothing else at this time. However, assuming your facts are correct:

1. An African-American shooter gives liberals pause. They hate to criticize people of color, and so I would honestly offer that this is an impediment to their trumpeting this story. Doesn't have quite the whiz-bang of a skinheaded, white Nazi, eh?

2. The Democrats apparently believe that their anti-self defense positions have cost them votes, and perhaps Congress and the White House. Their media allies are likely to want to cooperate by lowering the heat on this issue.

Our adversaries are wrong, often amoral or immoral, and usually ignorant regarding the RKBA and self defense. But, with rare exception, they are not stupid. They've simply realized that they have moved too far, too fast. We should not forget that they are the enemies of free, responsible Americans, and we should never quit fighting the gun bigots.

Regards from AZ
 
On NBC nightly, Tom Broke-all started the story with a line that went something like "Yet another in a string of workplace shootings in a land with too many guns", yet besides the story about the actual shootings a report was given on how incidents of workplace shootings have actually declined in the last five years.
Apparently Tom had to get his opinion in.
 
Just thought I'd point out that Illinois does have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation...and they didn't seem help much.
 
No duh, dude -

What cheapshot said. Here we have a black guy (not that his race has much to do with anything) with a criminal record (i.e. shouldn't have a gun to begin with) in a state with very restrictive gun laws, and those laws made absolutely no difference at all except to leave teh law-abiding open to slaughter. The gun grabbers don't want to face the abject failure of their agenda in this situation.

If people had half a brain, they should be raising bloody hell over being stripped of their ability to defend themselves and left exposed & defenseless to the violence of a convicted felon. They should be looking for a tall oak tree to hang the first politician that says a thing about more gun control.
M2
 
"What cheapshot said. Here we have a black guy (not that his race has much to do with anything) with a criminal record..."

You forgot, "walking around free long after having been convicted, because the Clinton justice department wasn't in a hurry to get him behind bars..."

You can't say they're down playing it, because they're not; They merely haven't hyped it. I think that's mainly because of the race thing, and secondarily because there isn't any hot gun control law being considered in Congress.
 
The IL gun laws worked as designed, thank you very much! After all, not a single, ordinary, honest, descent citizen working there had a gun, just as the law intended, and were, therefore, totally defenceless, (Even the "Security Babe" was unarmed!) again, just as the law intended. They are, thusly, dead! An unintended consequence!

Yr. Ovt. Svnt.
 
The media won't go after this shooting with much energy. The killer is a convicted thief who was to report to the feds yesterday to serve a five-month sentence for his part in stealing engines from the plant (where he worked for some 40 years). He's also a registered sex offender who got two year's probation for molesting a relative's young daughter. The fact that he's black and most victims are white will never be raised as an issue. PC won't allow it. This was no more than a revenge killing, so the TV nitwits can't bring on the 'experts'.
 
This is terribly cynical and cold but I am so damn glad to see one of these events NOT be dragged through the public eye for weeks at a time. When I first heard it I thought "Here we go". As soon as I discovered he was an older black male with a serious record I knew it would get little attention. There is, however, something sad about the fact that it was that easy to predict the medias actions based solely on his race.
 
One small detail

You're all forgetting that this is Black History Month. We're supposed to forget all of the problems that the black community gives us and just praise them for all of wonderful things that they do for us. Without them we wouldn't have role models like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Kweesi Mfume. Without them we wouldn've have Affirmitive Discrimination. The list goes on.

Race definitely had something to do with this. The shooter was black, the victims were white and the liberal media doesn't overdo the reporting. The pieces all fit.
 
This story was buried in the middle of the paper in today's L.A. Times. I hate to say it, given my own history of working for civil rights during the 60's and making every attempt to live a "color blind" life. But, had the shooter been white, his picture and the story would have been front page news. The facts of the shooter's race, criminal record, and illegal possession of firearms do not meet the PC standard of the Times. The fact that the victims were white and the shooter was black qualifies as a "hate crime" too, doesn't it?

Too bad no one with a CCW was present in the plant to thwart the rampage.
 
CCW is coming up again in IL and word is it may give us Pro-CCW folks a little leverage.
The Chicago mayor Daily had the typical Dem-Lib response in a press conference today.
 
CCW probably doesn't have a chance. But it was a major victory for the grassroots CCW movement just to get the ISRA behind it. That sounds crazy, but there it is. For years the ISRA leadership said it was the wrong time. That's what they said to us; to the legislature, they said that CCW was an extreme position and they weren't associated with it.
Now some on the ISRA Board are feeling pressure. Pro-CCW grassroots activists hold 7 seats on the board after last year's election. Several more are knocking at the door this year. Now those guys may not pull off the election, since the Board has effectively hopped on the CCW bandwagon (and the current Board and officers have done well with just about everything else.) However, if CCW is at least introduced and debated from now on, we've made an important step no matter who's in charge.
CCW this year or next would be a dream come true, I just don't think it's very realistic. But thank God we're finally going to try! CCW within the next 5 years may be possible now, whereas it simply wasn't two weeks ago.
 
Some very good ideas above.

Regarding race: Colin Ferguson was black. However, he was an otherwise "normal" person. Our latest killer had a criminal history, therefore there's no immediate link to the idea that just having a gun drives an otherwise law-abiding person to kill. That's why the white mass-killers are more frightening to the media. The media expect blacks to kill, because that is how they perceive blacks in the darkest parts of their hearts, the part they try to hide.

Politics: Daley just got his butt whipped down in Florida. Why gang up on his failed gun-conrol measures after his candidate "won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote?"

Timing: it's kissey-face time in Washington. GW's making overtures to Teddy. And the Clinton's are on the front burner. It's true that if it bleeds it leads, but the Clintons are bleeding far more than five victims in Illinois this week.

I swear, by the time I know well enough how to deal with all this bull, I'll be too old to deal with it.

Dick
 
I agree with Don Gwinn. CCW in Illinois may have a little more of a chance now than it has had in the past. I predict RINO Gov. George Ryan will veto it if it ever reaches his desk though. I'd like to see Chris Lauzen run for Gov. He sponsored the previous CCW bill.

Terry
 
As an Illinois resident, and a holder of the infamous FOID card; I want to know why Colin Ferguson's FOID card was not revoked and his firearms confiscated after his conviction. So whats the point in having a FOID card if it doesn't really mean anything other than having my name on record as being a "evil" gun owner?
 
An IL resident myself, I agree CCW has slim (or no) chance of passing but I am encouraged by the attention.
I also have NO use for that Gov Ryan. My fear is that almost any well financed, Chicago Dem that runs against him will defeat him unless a strong Republican can defeat him in the primary (bruising campaign finances).
Personally, I think the state would be better of if Cook Co and parts of Dupage Co slid into the lake (without significant loss of non-political life, of course). I'm sick of Daley running Chicago and Downstate too.
Daley commented on CCW yesterday in predictable words.
 
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