SIGPRO replaced by SIG/Mauser M2?

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thequickad

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Why would SIG introduce the Mauser M2 as another small frame pistol wearing the SIG name? Does this mean the SIGPRO sales are less than anticipated? and the M2 is going to replace the SIGPRO? :p:
http://www.sigarms.com/mauser_m2.htm

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The Sig/Mauser M2 is alloy-framed not plastic-framed. American Rifleman did a review. I don't think it's there to replace the Sigpro, simply a gun produced by Sig and Mauser, since Sig bought the Mauser company; or something like that.
 
I agree with KOG, the Sig/Mauser M2 frame is made of aluminum alloy, with a nickel/chromium steel alloy slide. It's not here to replace anything, just a new pistol for the market.



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John
"Never argue with an idiot, they pull you down to their level and beat you with experience"
 
I agree, it's time to pack up and head for
your local dealer; to review the new Sig-
Mauser M2!!! :)

Regards,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
Looks like they had the opportunity to add
a lower cost option to their line.

If the MSRP is about $450 as the American Rifleman says, the street price will be cheaper than most.
 
Help me understand the trigger action. It is DAO with the firing pin half-cocked. My 2340 is a DA/SA trigger and I hate it! The M2 trigger sounds like a Glock trigger, or am I off base?
 
Went in the morning and my local Turner's didn't have the M2.

The trigger sounds like the Glock, partial tention, and you are cocking the firing pin and then firing it... DAO.

Albert
 
Since the M2 sports a magazine disconnect safety, I don't think it will be very popular with serious gun carriers.

A magazine disconnect safety is useful in a home with children, but from a tactical standpoint, it can get you killed.
 
DVC,

You are obviously not an individual who has ever had to physically struggle for your weapon. A magazne disconnect can be used as a tacticle advantage against an adversary who desires to take your gun. Besides, every gun has its own quirks. Its your job as a RESPONSIBLE shooter to learn your gun and what it can and cannot do.

But I understand most gun owners buy a weapon, take it to a range, fire 50 or so rounds and then claim expertise. To each his own.

If this Sig/Mauser is a good weapon, it will sell well regardless.

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PeterGunn


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I agree with Petergunn, the magazine disconnect safety is a positive thing, especially for the LEO field. Matter of fact, SIG will put a magazine disconnect safety on the standard P-Series weapons for LEO contracts.

There are several documentated cases of LEO's lives being saved by dropping the mag out of the gun during a gunfight. One was recently depicted on one of Fox's "World's Most Dangerous Police Chases" shows. LEO made a TS, got in a scuffle, bad guy got hold of LEO gun, wouldn't fire, bad guy fled in his car, LEO persued, with help finally got him stopped and made the arrest, cop got his gun back.



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John
"Never argue with an idiot, they pull you down to their level and beat you with experience"
 
I'm guessing the trigger is going to feel something like that found on a Kahr. The firing pin is held at halfcock so that it's away from the firing pin until the trigger is pulled. .45 and .40 version supposed to be out early July, and .357Sig version out in October.

I could do without the mag safety, but I can live with it. I'm skeptical of the manual safety and prefer guns without them. I think that if someone is close enough to grab your gun you're in deep sh*t and should never have let them get that close to you.

Gun should allow you to keep your distance, but I don't discount the number of citizens and officers whose lives have been saved by dropping the mag and deactivating the gun; sometimes real life situations aren't always favorable and LE are often close quarters, too close sometimes, most of the time.

As was mentioned, just have to know what you and the weapon are capable of.
 
I'm probably underinformed, but I wonder who is going to actually make this S&M deal.

Last time I heard of a Mauser pistol, it was a Hi-Power clone made by FEG ( Hungary ) stamped "Hungary" in front of the trigger guard in letters I'd need a 10 power loupe to read, and Mauser in big letters on the side.
Before that, it was a double columned magazine reprise of the HSC made in Italy ( Renatta Gamba ? something like that ).

In the meantime I'll keep an eye out for nice tight used colt or s&w 38s. I know how to tell good used revolvers, and with any luck can pick up 3 (or even 4) of them for the price of a new selfloader.

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Some people are alive simply because it is illegal to kill them.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PeterGunn:
DVC,

You are obviously not an individual who has ever had to physically struggle for your weapon. A magazne disconnect can be used as a tacticle advantage against an adversary who desires to take your gun. Besides, every gun has its own quirks. Its your job as a RESPONSIBLE shooter to learn your gun and what it can and cannot do.

But I understand most gun owners buy a weapon, take it to a range, fire 50 or so rounds and then claim expertise. To each his own.

If this Sig/Mauser is a good weapon, it will sell well regardless.
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Thats correct, I've never had to struggle to retain my weapon because my weapon is carried concealed. My weapon is not carried openly.

Nobody is aware that I'm carrying. Therefor, they will not be attempting to grab the gun or struggle for it.

Also, ejecting the magazine during a struggle to make the weapon inoperable has its pros and cons.

Sure, it may prevent you from being shot by your own gun, but it will also prevent you from firing the remaining round in the chamber to "save your life" after you've wrenched the gun away from your assailant.

I remember hearing about a local man who was shot to death in a car jacking attempt.

He was a CCW holder and was carrying a "Spineless & Weak" 3913. The magazine becamed dislodged during the draw and fell out of the gun.

The handgun did NOT fire when he pull the trigger. He was shot 4 times by his assailant and died at the scene.

So dont preach to me the merits of a magazine disconnect safety. They're useless for civilians who carry concealed. They WILL get you killed.

If you're an undertrained L.E.O who has not had the appropriate weapon retention training, then a handgun with a magazine disconnect safety may be perfect for you.

If you live in a home with children and wish to leave your home defense gun available, but disabled, then a magazine disconnect safety may be perfect for you.

But for a civilian who carries a gun concealed, a magazine disconnect safety is about as useful as milk ducts on a bull.

BTW, I'm a firearms instructor by profession. I fire 1000 rounds a week on average and I compete in IDPA and IPSC.

So I'm certainly not someone who "fires 50 or so rounds and then claims expertise"


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To say that a magazine disconnect safety "WILL" get you killed has got to be the most ridiculous statement I've ever read on this site.

That's like a mechanice saying "If you have antilock brakes, you WILL get killed because they don't work as well as regular brakes in normal driving conditions".

Nothing is definate in this world. I'm sure many CCW holders who've been in gunfights have used guns with magazine disconnect safety's and are still alive to tell about it.

As far as weapon retention for LEO's, yes training in weapon retention comes before worrying about your magazine safety, but no matter how hard you train the risk of loosing your weapon is still there. 15% of all LEO's killed in a year are killed with their own duty weapon. If the mag safety can lower that number, I say they are worth it.

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John
"Never argue with an idiot, they pull you down to their level and beat you with experience"
 
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