*sigh* This is depressing.

[Kevinw]

I just finished reading the thread on what a person would do if Guns were banned in their state. Well I live in Indiana and I really don't see this happening on a state level. But if it were to happen I would love to say I would Pack it up and Hide what I could. Deny any knowledge of owning weapons. But there is only one problem. I live with my parents and I honestly believe they would turn me in. You see they both own a gun. But they don't believe in the 2nd. Guns Scare my mom. She has no real understanding of them, she thinks that a 6 hour class and two visits to the range make an understanding of weapons. She has a gun, yet when my Father is out of town she expects me to be home after work so she is not alone. Now this doesn't bother my but the "I need protection and won't protect myself" attitude does bother me. It is the attitude all to many people have.
Oh they are obviously not hard core anti. But they believe in the happy go lucky government that can't be wrong.
If I say something bad about Clinton I get a dirty look. If I say something about the Right to Keep and bear arms., my dad says I sound like I am spouting NRA bull****. (yes his exact words) So you see I can't fight back. Because the media has done such a good job at training people. We don't need to fear the government. I don't think I ever have. I fear the people I care for the most. I fear that one day I am going to come home to a couple of nicely suited men asking me to come with them while my parents sit there and smile saying it is for the best. So I won't have a chance to defend myself, to defend others. I will be carted off for the greater good. Will it happen? Probably not. I could be completely wrong anyway. My dad was in the airforce. He fought for this country. Maybe some day he will remember what the country is really about. Maybe some he will be sitting there and remember the oath he took so many years ago. And he will remember that it was not to a bunch of overweight government officials giving illegal orders half the time. It was to you and me. and every other American. But Anymore I just don't know. My faith is starting to fade.
Does anyone else feel like this? I am sending this link to my family. So if you don’t here from me in a while it is just me looking for a place to live after I get my ass kicked out

 

[Ledbetter]

Don't let it get you down. Try to get one of them to look at some pro-gun magazines or articles that show that most gun owners are hard-working honest americans to whom the constitution is more than just words.

Ask them why the anti-gunners are demonizing gun owners and getting away with it? Tell them you hope they don't consider you a "demon" too, just because you disagree with them.

Hang in there. Think about getting your self some more privacy.

 

[CassidyGT]

I am in kind of the same boat. I don;t live with my parents anymore (many years now) but we have an uneasy relationship mostly due to my political beliefs.

I just don't talk to them about it anymore and leave it at that. It works mostly. Sad though.

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[Don Gwinn]

Yeah, but that's not the problem here. Kevin's parents apparently own guns--his mother apparently took a six-hour course! Obviously they know gun owners aren't bad people.

There is the growing tendency to talk about "those gun owners." As in, "I'm not one of 'those' gun owners, I just keep one gun for protection and I see no need for handguns/assault weapons/whatever."

I think that's what Kevin's talking about. It really is sad. My dad doesn't think I'm crazy, but I think he's making it clear that his collection will be turned in if they demand it. He's just tired of the whole thing. Grandpa is a different story.

Grandpa was the one who changed dad's mind about actually carrying a gun--even when Dad owned a gun shop he thought people who carried guns were a little silly. Then he found out that grandpa had been keeping a small loaded pistol, uncased, next to his seat in the truck every time he and grandma went to Texas for the winter. Dad was horrified; he trusts grandpa but had visions of going to bail him out of jail in Southern Illinois.

What changed dad's outlook was the day he asked an Illinois state trooper what he would do if he had a an elderly parent who insisted on keeping a gun in the car.
The trooper replied that he'd love to have that problem because he'd had a hard time talking his father into carrying one all the time and not just on long trips. He thought it was amazing that more state cops didn't push their families to carry, considering how much they saw each week.
Dad put some thought into that and stopped bugging grandpa.

 

[Keiller TN]

KevinW, although I belive the 2nd Amendment is an important part of the Bill of Rights, I think there are more important things in our lives like relationships. The Scripture says "Honor your father and mother...that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth." I sense that you do respect your folks, but want to emphasis the importance of that relationship over your right to own a gun. Are you 20 or older? If so, you may find that it is time to move out if you feel that this issue is that important to you. But the "honor your father and Mother" will always apply no matter how old we are.

[This message has been edited by Keiller TN (edited April 18, 2000).]

 

[DC]

Alot of the "acceptance" has to do with the attitude "This is America, it can't happen here, so chill out"....then, as well, the illegal activities performed by the gov't hasn't happened to them or folks they know, hence its ignored.
Gun control (the 2nd A) is just one of the assaults on law-abiding decent people...the 4th and 5th are being violated daily. I'm (not just me) in a fight for water rights, on property I own free and clear, against the county and state (separately). A number of Calif farmers and ranchers are being prohibited under, draconian fines and jail terms, from using their property under the auspices of the endangered species act.
Calif has also had a huge tax surplus for 5 straight years, yet the legislature refused to even temporarily stop an 18 cent/gal tax on gasoline during the time of these all time high gas prices and having the highest gas cost in the nation.
Then there is the illegal extortion of businesses. The laws made by regulatory agencies, by passing the legislative process.
The assaults by the gov't are coming faster and faster. Gov't by fiat.

Basically I believe that city folks are terribly uninformed and naive. They just ignore the writing on the wall and won't even consider our side until the gov't begins to attack them, personally, somehow.

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[Kevinw]

My problem is this. I can't really move out. At my current job I don't make enough money. I have another Job offer making enough to live on my own but The other problem is this. I can not be around large groups for any length of time I get intense headaches, borderline Migrains. And I am used to living in the country, Nice place with about 25 Acres of land, it even backs up to the national forestry. reat land. Plenty of open space. Living in town would all but kill me.

 

[Don Gwinn]

Kevin, if there's anything any of us can do you know we will.

But don't lose Indiana if you can help it; it's my back-up state in case of the Fall of Illinois.

 

[Miss Demeanors]

Kevin, I understand what you mean when you say they are not 'hard core anti's'. My friend is like that as well, his dad has guns was brought up around guns, went hunting etc. Yet we are 'freaks of nature' to defend the second and join the NRA blah blah blah. Thankfully I don't live with him but you live with the p's. I would guess that if for some reason they are going to take your guns, you will know about it ahead of time,(possibly) if that is the case, you have some time to take your guns and move out. At least thats what I think I would do. If they do just show up and your parents just give up the guns, I don't know what to tell you.

I do find it amazing that people that own guns don't fully support the second. The media has done a terrific job of 'brainwashing' people into thinking the government can do no wrong. My parents don't like guns or anything like that, but my mom will always think highly of the 'government'. I keep telling her that majority of them are nothing but crooks that are out to make themselves happy, not the people. You would think after the Klinton scandle more people would realize what a corrupt governement we have. It sure opened my eyes. If I were you, just try not to bring up anything to do with the RKBA fight, or the NRA, just kind of keep it quiet. Although I know that sucks because we should all be free to express our beliefs and opinions without any hassel.....I go through it each day and have come to the conclusion to just shut up and talk about it to those that feel the same. Lets just hope they never do come to take the guns away, and keep fighting to make that a reality. Hang in there you are not alone.

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[Blueyedog]

A hard-core anti is almost easier to fight with than one that has a gun but is too blind to fight to keep it.

These are the facts:
1. The present administration is out to get our rights as American citizens, and they won't stop with the 2nd Amendment.
2. Once the 2nd Amendment has fallen, nothing will stop them from removing all our other rights. Check out what has happened in Great Britain and Australia.
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...because I had no choice.

When they took the 6th Amendment I said nothing, because I had done nothing wrong.

When they took the 5th Amendment I said nothing, because I had nothing to hide.

When they took the 4th Amendment I said nothing, because I had nothing illegal.

When they took the 2nd Amendment I said nothing, because I had no guns.

When they took the 1st Amendment I said nothing, because I had no choice.
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Kevin,
My own parents own many guns but used to think that I was a hot-headed trouble maker when I talked about the government and the antis. I started printing off bunches of stuff from the Internet and giving it to them to read. Not just RKBA, but violations of all our rights. They now see that I'm not nuts. However, now that I have a couple of Websites, become big in WAGC in Indiana and am about to have a big article come out with my name and pics all over it plugging A.I.M.M. in the Indianapolis Star, my mother is getting nervous again. She's all nervous about people's reactions and that the big bad government is goin' to get me. You should have seen her when I got my first table plugging WAGC at the Indy 1500 last October. You'd think I'd just threatened Klintoon's life on national TV.

My point is this - I'm 37 years old, on my second marriage, have one son and two step-grandkids, and I STILL haven't found the key to getting along with my parents. I think sometimes we take on reverse roles as we get older. Little kids take the opposite opinion just to start a fight with their parents. As we age as adults I think our parents take on opposite opinions than us because we are still just 'young, dumb kids' in their eyes, we can't be right about important issues, so therefore they will refuse to take on our way of thinking. I've had some pretty heated discussions with them. Just remember that no matter what your opinions, you're still family. It will work out.