Sig SP 2022....

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Niklachik

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I've been doing a lot of research trying to pick out a second gun to buy. I came across the Sig SP2022 and it has everything I'm looking for. It's DA/SA, manual safety, bigger round capacity, accessory rail and Sig has a good reputation. Then I saw it being referred to as "Sig's low end gun" and "poor man's gun". It's selling for around $500, which isn't exactly cheap compaired to a lot of guns out there.
If you own one or have shot one, I would love to hear your opinion of it. Thank you!
 
They discontinued it a few years back which dropped the price. Then, ironically enough, it gained enough popularity on its way out to make the demand grow to the point that SIG brought it back and increased the price again. It's a good gun. There is no manual safety, though. Only a decocker.
 
I haven't had mine all that long but consider it a very solid choice IF you want a true DA/SA trigger. This is my preferred trigger for a carry gun and my gun at least has a nice one. It is more service pistol size but not overly bulky. Factory mags are a little pricey but Mec-Gars look like a good alternative.

I like the controls, even the crazy big slide release which works better than most. Takedown is like traditional pistols...not bad but slightly more of a burden than flicking a lever. By comparison my P320 has some glitches in its more "modern" takedown which make it more of a pain. Mags load easier than some and don't fight you for full capacity. First groups with the SP2022 were about 2" at 50ft. Seems to shoot a bit high. Zero malfs so far. Paid $469 with regular 3 dot sights.

About as sexy as "sensible shoes" but well made, reliable and has the trigger system that I really want.

http://s107.photobucket.com/user/hvap90/media/Shooting/SIG SP2022.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
 
Take a look at the P320 as well, striker fired instead of DA/SA, changeable grip frame sizes. The 2022 is a good gun if you can get it at the lower prices, but I'd go P320 in the $500 range.
 
I don't have one, but the P2022 is a good gun. I've considered one several times, and may eventually buy one. For years after they came out, some SIG purists didn't like it because it was polymer. These days, polymer in general is more accepted (even by "gun snobs") and with the SIG P250 and P320 people are used to polymer SIGs, so you see a lot less derision thrown at it than you used to. It is a good gun, and unlike the other SIG polymer guns, it is very much a traditional SIG in function. It just happens to be polymer and not all metal.

Personally, I'd rather have a P229 (hence my maybe I'll buy one and not definitely), but the P2022 is several hundred dollars less which is quite nice.

Now, as others have said, it does not have a manual safety. It is a traditional DA/SA with a decocker and a heavy first DA shot. It is perfectly safe, and after some training, practice, and experience I suspect you would be totally comfortable with it. However, if you are buying it for work and they require a manual safety, this gun may not be the gun for you.
 
People call it "the poor mans 226"... As it is a few hundred less than a 226. They used to be $400 or a little less, but with only a single mag in the box. If they are $500 and only one mag, I wouldn't bother.

I have shot a few, all have been reliable and accurate.

My friend owns one, and loves it.


I like them, but the trigger geometry doesn't work well for me. The pull is smooth and clean, it just feels weird to me, but that is my only nit pick. Most people have no issue with the trigger.
 
Sig SP2022's have a decocker, not a safety. They are great pistols IMHO a best buy, for a quality pistol with a life time warranty. They are now no longer $380ish buy still a good buy. If you buy one you will never look back. Just watch your thumb placement (keep it low) so you don't accidentally hit the slide release lever on the last round.:D
 
It's not a CZ p-07 but it's a darned nice gun. By poor mans sig, they are speaking compared to the 229 or 226 which are 3-400 or more bucks more. Sig makes no "low end" stuff people that say that are ID10Ts.

That being said you really need to lay your hands on an 07 before you decide.
 
niklachik said:
Then I saw it being referred to as "Sig's low end gun" and "poor man's gun". It's selling for around $500, which isn't exactly cheap compaired to a lot of guns out there.
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SigPro pistols were designed in the late 1990s as high-quality polymer counterparts to the Sig P226 and P229 and fall between the dimensions of those models. When the SigPro models were originally introduced, they were priced very similar to the P226 and P229 models. However, many Sig aficionados and others buying premium-priced guns simply did not want an expensive "plastic" gun.

SigPros sold poorly in America and were eventually discontinued. In the meantime, Sig made slight changes to the design, which was renamed the SP2022, and sold a quarter of a million to France and a few hundred thousand to other countries. Overruns from those huge national contracts were sold in the US for little more than half of the previous prices of SigPros. (Sales of a half million pistols not only cover R&D costs but also do incredible things to drive down unit costs.)

The SP2022 proved popular at half the price of its metal counterparts and was reintroduced as a regular American production model. Today, a base SP2022 has a suggested price of $568 while a P226 and P229 have suggested prices of $1,087.
 
My daughter and I both have one and are very happy with them. She bought one first and I liked it so much I picked one up too.
Good for her there's the optional small grip insert but and the medium works well for me.
Accurate, reliable, good trigger and lifetime warranty are all pluses.

The SP2022 in 9mm is next on my list.
 
I had one in 9mm for about a year. It was a fine gun and I liked the night sights. I was more accurate with my S&W SD9VE though and eventually sold of the SP2022.

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If it's a new made version, it will have a decocker and no safety. If it's used , it's possible it may have a slide mounted safety, as Summit Gunbrokers was selling a french import a few years ago, that had this feature. I didn't buy one at the time, as I didn't want a slide mounted safety. But they do exist...
 
I hear they're good pistols. That said, for your 2nd gun, I'd take a close look at a P-226, including their certified pre-owned pistols. The 220, 226 and 229 pistols are popular for a reason! JMHO, and you probably can't go wrong with either choice.
 
SP2022 is a terrific pistol. If it fits one well it is a great choice. VERY robust pistol which is why it is on the heavy side for a poly frame pistol. Good trigger out of the box, reliable, durable, and accurate.

However the SP2022 is pretty much a what you see is what you get pistol if that matters to one. Other than holsters and maybe sights there are almost no third party parts for the SP2022. One rarely hears of a problem with the SP2022, especially 9MM. Master SIG gunsmith Bruce Gray carried a SP2022 for a long time and speaks very highly of it.

Cool video of a guy doing some endurance shooting with the SP2022. 5000 rounds I believe. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWxtXFy9FSQ
 
The original Sig Pros were originally chambered in 40 S&W and then .357 Sig. They were the 2340. Early 2340s were made in Switzerland and the slide are marked accordingly. Later production was moved to Germany. They were then introduced in 9mm as the 2009. They did not sell well in the US until they were discounted and liquidated at CDNN and then they moved quickly at about $300-$350 IIRC. They were adopted by the Swiss IIRC.

You have to take into consideration that these were the hay days of the classic Sig LEO trade ins and CPOs. When you could get a LNIB P228 CPO for $500. So a $500 polymer Sig with a propriety rail was not going to sell well. Even then the Sig Pros were well respected for their trigger system which is different than the standard P series Sig.

The French police put out an RFP for a new pistol. Sig modified the Sig Pro 2009 and submitted the pistol. There were more removeable back straps, standard pic rail, night sights and the Iffalon finish. The French approved the Sig bid and they planned to use the gun for 20 years. They did this in 2000 and therefore named it the SP2022. It was not named this before Sig submitted it. As pointed out the economy of scale gained from the French contract allowed Sig to produce the gun at a low cost and still make a profit.

The gun gained popularity when the triple serial numbered German proofed guns were being sold with night sights and 3 mags for $400. The production was then moved to the US and changes were made to the extractor and other parts were replaced but they continued to sell in the sub $500 range. They still pop up now and again in the $400 range.

For the money they are good guns. The one thing you have to consider closely is that SP2022 trigger is different than the Classic P series triggers. It is smooth and clean but longer than the P series guns like the P226. People compare them all the time to the P series guns but exept for the name Sig on the slide and the lower cost of entry they are not very Sig like. Does not make them bad just makes them what they are. If you can try before you buy. Don't over pay. If you can get a triple serial number German proof gun they are the best of the breed IMHO and command a bit more in the used market. They have a serial number on the slide, underside of the frame & barrel.

I cannot stress enough that comparing it to a classic P series like the P226 is not a fair comparison. The P220, P226 and P228 are the guns that build Sigs stellar rep and while the SP2022 is a good gun it is not IMHO in the same class. Also people bringing up the P320 as an option does not make sense to me. Again besides the Sig logo on the slide, 9mm chambering and the fact it is a polymer are they similarities between the 2 guns. Look at the OPs post the P320 does not meet the criteria. Just because it has a Sig logo does not make these guns similar to each other in feel and function.

I like mine and it serves as a bedside gun.



 
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Shot one several times and it is a fine firearm and won't let you down.

As suggested somewhat, looking at a CZ P07 or P09 would also ve worthwhile, if they are still going foe sub 500 they are a heck of a deal if you want a SA/DA.
 
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