Quantum Singularity
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I have both Sigs and Glocks, but I keep hearing possible rumors that the aluminum frame Sigs expected life is only 10,000 rounds. Does this "rumor" have any truth to it?
Sig Sauer Durability
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Quantum Singularity
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by taco:
My Sig220 in 45ACP is reaching 27,000 rounds now and it still shoots like new and everything on this pistol is original. I passed 10,000 mark about 7 years ago. I guess Sigs are pretty durable. [/quote]
Thanks! Thats the news I was hoping to hear (I love my 9mm Sigs). I am glad that the rumor was just a bunch of BS.
My Sig220 in 45ACP is reaching 27,000 rounds now and it still shoots like new and everything on this pistol is original. I passed 10,000 mark about 7 years ago. I guess Sigs are pretty durable. [/quote]
Thanks! Thats the news I was hoping to hear (I love my 9mm Sigs). I am glad that the rumor was just a bunch of BS.
Alluminum will not last as long as polimer or steel and thats a fact. However there are so many variable that go into how long a gun will last you its hard to give you a straight answer. Sigs have cracked as low as a few thousand rounds and some have lasted into the 50000 round range. How well do you maintain your gun do you shoot full power ammo all the time ext. Glock will out last sigs by 4 times at least in police service with out some moron reloading loads for ispc in them in 40 cal. The kb thing is preaty much limited to reloaders with 40's. I love my sigs too. Pick the one that fits you the best.
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I have heard stories about Sigs with cracked frames with only 10,000 or less rounds through them. And I suspect that the stories were true, although I have never actually seen one. I can say though that I have personally seen about 11 Sigs with more than 10,000 rounds through them and they were all doing fine. I am sure that like any product there are some defects/abnormal specimens in a lot. But overall, I bet the life expectancy is more than 10,000 rounds...
DO NOT WORY ABOUT YOUR SIG FRAME CRACKING!!!!! It happened to a couple P220's years ago, but SIG long ago corrected any problems that may have contributed. Plus the fact that aluminum alloys are better now than they used to be. I don't hear anyone complaining about any other aluminum framed guns, like the Kimber. Ignore the rumors.
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Here's some more gossip to flame the rumor on.
SIGS WILL crack with far fewer than 10,000 rounds!..........................................................................................................................................IF you use the butt to hammer 10penny nails into oak on a regular basis.
Can't speak from experience yet, (although I'm working on it), but have it from two personal reliable sources that have put over 100,000 rounds through their 226s with little more than needing to replace springs and worn out barrels. Yeah, stay away from SIGS. They're mighty fragile.
........Just more left for the rest of us. Hehehe.
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SIGS WILL crack with far fewer than 10,000 rounds!..........................................................................................................................................IF you use the butt to hammer 10penny nails into oak on a regular basis.
Can't speak from experience yet, (although I'm working on it), but have it from two personal reliable sources that have put over 100,000 rounds through their 226s with little more than needing to replace springs and worn out barrels. Yeah, stay away from SIGS. They're mighty fragile.
........Just more left for the rest of us. Hehehe.
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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
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Robert Foote
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SIGs crack all the time--that's why LEOs never use them. Elvis is bagging groceries down at Safeway.
Go for the gold. Get a Hi-Point and quit worrying.
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Yup, most SIGs won't last 10k rounds before the frame cracks. But then, most Berettas break locking blocks and/or slides and kill the shooter. Almost every Glock will kB, but thankfully the polymer frame absorbs most of the energy, so at least they're safe when they destruct. Lessee, um, looking for a durable handgun, buy a quality gun, like a Jennings or Lorcin?
Early SIG Sauer P226 and P220 frames did have a problem with hairline cracks, that's a fact. SIG Sauer supposedly addressed this issue and it's no longer a problem. Keep your eye on frame gouging as this remains an issue still. On a P228 that I bought NIB I had severe gouging of the frame rails and the area around the hammer after only 400 rounds of factory 115 grs FMJ. A friend of mine had the same thing happen on a P229 he bought NIB. He only fired factory 180 grs, 155 grs and 165 grs FMJ. On his pistol the rails were so thrashed that the entire pistol was replaced by the shop where he bought it. My P228 was 1999 manufacture and his P229 was made around 1998 (as per the dates on the grips which aren't very reliable). Are SIG Sauer quality firearms. Yes. Will they outlast most users. Yes. Only you can decide if it's a pistol you want to invest in.
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BrokenArrow
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Plenty have cracked under 10K rounds, FBI cracked a few under 5K rounds. Military cracked some under 10K rounds during early JSSAP testing. Plenty have gone a lot, lot longer. Even when they are cracked they are reliable, just get a little less accurate; about as good as a Glock out of the box. 
In Oct 99 the Baltimore County PD found cracks on 52 of their 1400 SIG 226s. Changed to the SP2340 in 40. All the cracked guns worked with the cracks. Other PDS have found cracked guns, nobody had any real problems, most of em stayed with SIG.
Know of a 229 w over 10K of 40 and 5K of 357 through it; looks OK so far.
Don't worry about it. Hint: if you have the stamped slide model, if you remove the roll pin in the slide, do not re use it; replace w a new one.
In DA pistols, Beretta and SIG are tops for reliability and accuracy, Glock, Ruger, CZ, USP for durability. If you can afford to shoot enough to wear any of them out, you can afford a spare/replacement?
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In Oct 99 the Baltimore County PD found cracks on 52 of their 1400 SIG 226s. Changed to the SP2340 in 40. All the cracked guns worked with the cracks. Other PDS have found cracked guns, nobody had any real problems, most of em stayed with SIG.
Know of a 229 w over 10K of 40 and 5K of 357 through it; looks OK so far.
Don't worry about it. Hint: if you have the stamped slide model, if you remove the roll pin in the slide, do not re use it; replace w a new one.
In DA pistols, Beretta and SIG are tops for reliability and accuracy, Glock, Ruger, CZ, USP for durability. If you can afford to shoot enough to wear any of them out, you can afford a spare/replacement?
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Quantum Singularity
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tecolote:
Early SIG Sauer P226 and P220 frames did have a problem with hairline cracks, that's a fact. SIG Sauer supposedly addressed this issue and it's no longer a problem. Keep your eye on frame gouging as this remains an issue still. On a P228 that I bought NIB I had severe gouging of the frame rails and the area around the hammer after only 400 rounds of factory 115 grs FMJ. A friend of mine had the same thing happen on a P229 he bought NIB. He only fired factory 180 grs, 155 grs and 165 grs FMJ. On his pistol the rails were so thrashed that the entire pistol was replaced by the shop where he bought it. My P228 was 1999 manufacture and his P229 was made around 1998 (as per the dates on the grips which aren't very reliable). Are SIG Sauer quality firearms. Yes. Will they outlast most users. Yes. Only you can decide if it's a pistol you want to invest in.
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What causes this frame gouging and can one avoid it? I have a nick on the slide rail-- is that going to develop into a gouge over time?
Early SIG Sauer P226 and P220 frames did have a problem with hairline cracks, that's a fact. SIG Sauer supposedly addressed this issue and it's no longer a problem. Keep your eye on frame gouging as this remains an issue still. On a P228 that I bought NIB I had severe gouging of the frame rails and the area around the hammer after only 400 rounds of factory 115 grs FMJ. A friend of mine had the same thing happen on a P229 he bought NIB. He only fired factory 180 grs, 155 grs and 165 grs FMJ. On his pistol the rails were so thrashed that the entire pistol was replaced by the shop where he bought it. My P228 was 1999 manufacture and his P229 was made around 1998 (as per the dates on the grips which aren't very reliable). Are SIG Sauer quality firearms. Yes. Will they outlast most users. Yes. Only you can decide if it's a pistol you want to invest in.
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What causes this frame gouging and can one avoid it? I have a nick on the slide rail-- is that going to develop into a gouge over time?
Quantum Singularity
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BrokenArrow:
Plenty have cracked under 10K rounds, FBI cracked a few under 5K rounds. Military cracked some under 10K rounds during early JSSAP testing. Plenty have gone a lot, lot longer. Even when they are cracked they are reliable, just get a little less accurate; about as good as a Glock out of the box.
In Oct 99 the Baltimore County PD found cracks on 52 of their 1400 SIG 226s. Changed to the SP2340 in 40. All the cracked guns worked with the cracks. Other PDS have found cracked guns, nobody had any real problems, most of em stayed with SIG.
Know of a 229 w over 10K of 40 and 5K of 357 through it; looks OK so far.
Don't worry about it. Hint: if you have the stamped slide model, if you remove the roll pin in the slide, do not re use it; replace w a new one.
In DA pistols, Beretta and SIG are tops for reliability and accuracy, Glock, Ruger, CZ, USP for durability. If you can afford to shoot enough to wear any of them out, you can afford a spare/replacement?
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If they are just as reliable after the cracks, then why even be concerned about the cracks? This doesn't make much sense to me-- I would think cracks should effect reliability somewhat.
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Plenty have cracked under 10K rounds, FBI cracked a few under 5K rounds. Military cracked some under 10K rounds during early JSSAP testing. Plenty have gone a lot, lot longer. Even when they are cracked they are reliable, just get a little less accurate; about as good as a Glock out of the box.
In Oct 99 the Baltimore County PD found cracks on 52 of their 1400 SIG 226s. Changed to the SP2340 in 40. All the cracked guns worked with the cracks. Other PDS have found cracked guns, nobody had any real problems, most of em stayed with SIG.
Know of a 229 w over 10K of 40 and 5K of 357 through it; looks OK so far.
Don't worry about it. Hint: if you have the stamped slide model, if you remove the roll pin in the slide, do not re use it; replace w a new one.
In DA pistols, Beretta and SIG are tops for reliability and accuracy, Glock, Ruger, CZ, USP for durability. If you can afford to shoot enough to wear any of them out, you can afford a spare/replacement?
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If they are just as reliable after the cracks, then why even be concerned about the cracks? This doesn't make much sense to me-- I would think cracks should effect reliability somewhat.
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