Sig P245 vs. Glock 36?
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I think it is a safe statement that any SIG will have less perceived recoil than any Glock. As for accuracy, you won't find a gun that is more accurate "out of the box" than a SIG.
So, if these are your only two criteria for choosing between the two, the SIG easily wins.
The 245 is a very comfortable gun to hold for anyone except for those with very large hands. Also, I have no hesitation putting 230 grain ammo through my 245.....I'm always hesitant to shoot .45 in a glock. I know, I know....thousands of people do so every day. My personal preference is not to shoot anything in a Glock larger than 9 mm.
Find a range that has a 245 that you can test before you buy one. I would do that regardless of what gun you ultimately decide to buy.
So, if these are your only two criteria for choosing between the two, the SIG easily wins.
The 245 is a very comfortable gun to hold for anyone except for those with very large hands. Also, I have no hesitation putting 230 grain ammo through my 245.....I'm always hesitant to shoot .45 in a glock. I know, I know....thousands of people do so every day. My personal preference is not to shoot anything in a Glock larger than 9 mm.
Find a range that has a 245 that you can test before you buy one. I would do that regardless of what gun you ultimately decide to buy.
rugerfreak
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Get the Sig. I did----also a P245.
I just picked up a Glock 30. It's the subcompact with full 10+1 of .45. I had previously owned a G21 .45 and had absolutely no problems whatsoever. All the KB! talk of glocks is highly overpublisised in my opinion. I have two glocks and two Berettas, and both of these controversial brands have been perfect for me. As far as the unsupported chamber of the glock goes, my Berettas have at least as much brass unsupported as the glock. And one of my Berettas is chambered in the gun destroying .40 cal(hehe). Sigs are nice weapons also, and I certainly would not mind owning a few, but I like the pleasure of owning all the quality brands out there, not just sticking with one.This is just my very humble opinion.
Pat Brophy
Pat Brophy
Indy_SIG,
You said, "I think it is a safe statement that any SIG will have less perceived recoil than any Glock." Where on earth did that idea come from?
I have a SIG 220, I've fired SIG 229s in both 9mm and 40 Auto, and recently fired a SIG 239. The 220 jumps (kicks?) much more than a G21; the 229s jump more than the G17 or G22; and the 239 moves much more in the hand than the G19.
Glocks are known and reported (even by detractors) to have less recoil than comprable models by other makers. This is due to the very low bore axis and the shock-asorber effect of the plastic frame. You like SIGs (noticed your nick-name) and that is fine. Don't make outlandish statements to support your choice. Pick and use what you like but stick to the facts.
You said, "I think it is a safe statement that any SIG will have less perceived recoil than any Glock." Where on earth did that idea come from?
I have a SIG 220, I've fired SIG 229s in both 9mm and 40 Auto, and recently fired a SIG 239. The 220 jumps (kicks?) much more than a G21; the 229s jump more than the G17 or G22; and the 239 moves much more in the hand than the G19.
Glocks are known and reported (even by detractors) to have less recoil than comprable models by other makers. This is due to the very low bore axis and the shock-asorber effect of the plastic frame. You like SIGs (noticed your nick-name) and that is fine. Don't make outlandish statements to support your choice. Pick and use what you like but stick to the facts.
I have owned both of these.I believe they are both excellent choices,and the recoil is comparable.The REAL question to me is the grip: Which one is better.The 36 is probably better for small hands.They are both accurate,although ammo sensitive-not in regard to feeding,but accuracy.
The two positives for the Glock over the SIG for me are weight (a G36 on the belt is very light) and slide mass. The SIG felt odd in my hand because the slide seemed chunkier and the bore axis higher.
That said, I don't carry my G36 much, and either choice would be fine dependent on your preference.
SA Scott
That said, I don't carry my G36 much, and either choice would be fine dependent on your preference.
SA Scott
Dave T,
Your findings may be accurate in your experiences, but it would be counter to what most people report and to conventional wisdom.
SIGs, across the board, are heavier than their Glock counterpart. They are steel vs. polymer. At a given caliber, the SIG should be expected to have less recoil than its Glock counterpart.
I believe this is consistent with the point I made earlier in this thread. What part confused you? You seem rather upset at this....do you own Glock stock?
Your findings may be accurate in your experiences, but it would be counter to what most people report and to conventional wisdom.
SIGs, across the board, are heavier than their Glock counterpart. They are steel vs. polymer. At a given caliber, the SIG should be expected to have less recoil than its Glock counterpart.
I believe this is consistent with the point I made earlier in this thread. What part confused you? You seem rather upset at this....do you own Glock stock?
I've owned and loved my Sig P220 and P226 and shot the heck out of my range's P245. Love the full-sized Sigs and the P239 in 9mm is nice. But I'd pass on the P245. I'd even consider the taurus PT-145 over it if they can fix the frame cracking problem even if the trigger is gritty.
DA/SA transitions are not as easy to master as a SA/Glock Safe Action trigger. FBI instructor used to teach agents to literally ground their first DA shot to get into SA. what does that tell you about the instructor and the gun.
And the slides on both my Sigs constantly had to be oiled to keep the rust monsters away.
Accuracy, equivalent.
Recoil. Sorry but the high bore axis of my Sigs made them transfer more recoil to me than my Glocks. The G21 is the softest shooting 45 ACP I've even shot and I'm a range rat!
But forget the G36 unless all you're going to do is carry it. Its a little snapdragon and different from the rest of the glock line. Mixed reviews. check it out for yourself at GlockTalk. But I see used G36s for sale all of the time but hardly ever G21s or G30s.
If you want a CCW Glock that you'll enjoy shooting, many shooters have picked the G30. Revered as Glock's most accurate gun.
Had a G30 too. Accurate but the slide width seemed off compared to the slide length. Just like the P245. And I tended to shoot my full-sized Glocks the most so bought a G21 and sold the G30.
I've already stated my opinion on the P245. Sig merely took a chain saw and sawed off the bottom part of a P220 frame. Myself and others don't think its a natural pointer. Seems muzzle heavy. Better off looking to a Sig subcompact in 357 sig for CCW.
DA/SA transitions are not as easy to master as a SA/Glock Safe Action trigger. FBI instructor used to teach agents to literally ground their first DA shot to get into SA. what does that tell you about the instructor and the gun.
And the slides on both my Sigs constantly had to be oiled to keep the rust monsters away.
Accuracy, equivalent.
Recoil. Sorry but the high bore axis of my Sigs made them transfer more recoil to me than my Glocks. The G21 is the softest shooting 45 ACP I've even shot and I'm a range rat!
But forget the G36 unless all you're going to do is carry it. Its a little snapdragon and different from the rest of the glock line. Mixed reviews. check it out for yourself at GlockTalk. But I see used G36s for sale all of the time but hardly ever G21s or G30s.
If you want a CCW Glock that you'll enjoy shooting, many shooters have picked the G30. Revered as Glock's most accurate gun.
Had a G30 too. Accurate but the slide width seemed off compared to the slide length. Just like the P245. And I tended to shoot my full-sized Glocks the most so bought a G21 and sold the G30.
I've already stated my opinion on the P245. Sig merely took a chain saw and sawed off the bottom part of a P220 frame. Myself and others don't think its a natural pointer. Seems muzzle heavy. Better off looking to a Sig subcompact in 357 sig for CCW.
I cannot speak for the compact or sub-compact versions of these pistols, but I've owned both the G-21 and Sig P220. I would have to agree with DaveT and JTDuncan in saying the G-21 has less perceived recoil than the Sig P220. That is not to say that the P220 is hard to control, just more so than the G-21.
I have yet to try Sigs new ST model, as my experience has been with the alloy framed P220. I have also owned the P229 which has a steel frame. The added weight helped in the recoil department. However, the P229 had more muzzle flip than my Steyr M-40, which like the Glock has a polymer frame and low bore axis.
Of course, these are all just my subjective experiences.
JJCII
I have yet to try Sigs new ST model, as my experience has been with the alloy framed P220. I have also owned the P229 which has a steel frame. The added weight helped in the recoil department. However, the P229 had more muzzle flip than my Steyr M-40, which like the Glock has a polymer frame and low bore axis.
Of course, these are all just my subjective experiences.
JJCII
I have to agree...
...that the lower bore axis, broader backstrap, and alleged recoil-absorbing flex of the polymer frame translate into less percieved recoil and muzzle flip for comparable Glock models relative to SIGs of similar size and chambering, but the difference is marginal.
I'm not a big fan of the G36, preferring the G30. Only a smidge wider and heavier, but holds four more rounds of ammo and is more comfy to shoot.
...that the lower bore axis, broader backstrap, and alleged recoil-absorbing flex of the polymer frame translate into less percieved recoil and muzzle flip for comparable Glock models relative to SIGs of similar size and chambering, but the difference is marginal.
I'm not a big fan of the G36, preferring the G30. Only a smidge wider and heavier, but holds four more rounds of ammo and is more comfy to shoot.
I'm not into Sigs. Except for the P6 (Sig 225), none of them fit my hand. I do, however shoot and carry the G36. For me, it has mild recoil, except for +P loads. With the stock adjustable sights, I was shooting what were essentally single hole double taps at 11 yards. However, I just had Trijicon night sights installed and have not had a chance to shoot more than 12 rounds with the new sights. They seem accurate!! 
Tamara, those smidgen made all the difference to me!!! I prefer the G36!!!
Tamara, those smidgen made all the difference to me!!! I prefer the G36!!!