They have been on again, off again the public market since I bought mine last March (`98). Many dealers still have them in stock (tho they may take advantage of scarcity to up the price), and used (police turn-ins seem to be pretty available. They'll be back, I'm sure. They ARE great compact 9er's. FWIW, I've had good luck with ProMag hi-caps, especially if you replace the springs with Wolffe's and burnish (i.e. remove the flashings) the followers. Good luck, M2