Sig m11-a1 Questions

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I am considering purchasing another sig and am very interested in the M11-A1, mostly due to it not having a rail. However, since SIG's DOD contract is nearing its end, I was wondering how much longer this model will be around? I am relatively new to SIG and only have experience with the p226 and p239. What do you guys think? Is the M11 on its way out? Thanks for reading.
 
I am considering purchasing another sig and am very interested in the M11-A1, mostly due to it not having a rail. However, since SIG's DOD contract is nearing its end, I was wondering how much longer this model will be around? I am relatively new to SIG and only have experience with the p226 and p239. What do you guys think? Is the M11 on its way out? Thanks for reading.
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It will be around as long as Sig can sell them. The M11-A1 was never adopted by anyone. It did not replace the M11. It is sort of a frankengun. It is a non-railed P229 frame with a stainless steel slide so it is basically a nonrailed P229. They are using P229 SAS frames without doing the meld rounding on the frame. IIRC

The UID sticker is a marketing ploy since no one adopted the pistol. They still made small batches of P228s in Germany as recently as 2013 but very few made it into the commerical markets.

There is nothing wrong with the M11-A1. If you like the non-railed P229/P228 look and want a SRT trigger with phosphate internals etc... they are good guns. I prefer the balance of the older P228s but they are getting hard to come by in good condition and almost impossible to find LNIB or old stock NIB.

I was lucky to find this gem earlier this year. It is a PW Imports P228 all German with a KC date code, 1992. It is one of the Swiss LEO trade ins but looks to be unissued. It wears one of the Swiss Cantons.





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There is nothing wrong with the M11-A1. If you like the non-railed P229/P228 look and want a SRT trigger with phosphate internals etc... they are good guns. I prefer the balance of the older P228s but they are getting hard to come by in good condition and almost impossible to find LNIB or old stock NIB.
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Agree 100%. I own and treasure my M11-A1 and P228. If you get lucky and can find an original P228 like the one WVSig has, I'd pounce on it. Probably not likely to happen, though. One of my LGS contacts tells me that M11-A1's are starting to be traded for P229 Legions, so you might look out for a nice LNIB example like the one I found.

But as much as I like the M11-A1, I think those X-Ray sights and the sweet DA/SA trigger on the P229 Legion are just that much better. Between a new M11-A1 and a new P229 Legion, I'd go with the Legion, without hesitation!
 
from my understanding the new M11-A1 will continue. It fills a nice niche of a non-railed P229. Since it does have the stainless P229 slide, it's easier to manufacture. I wouldn't worry anyways, I bought my P228, my very first handgun in 1993 after I graduated college and entered Active Duty Army...still running and still an excellent pistol. Parts will be available for a long time and I only replaced the recoil spring because I lost count of how many rounds and it was a cheap fix to avoid any problems. It didn't need to be replaced as I found out those double coil springs are pretty stout.



It's a pretty solid line for Sig.

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My experience with the m-11 was terrible. I picked one up and I took it to a training class. I may have gotten a lemon, but it was just a jam-o-matic nightmare for me. The best thing I can say about the one I had was that it gave me a lot of practice clearing malfunctions. I sold it, went to the Glock platform for all my personal defense needs and haven't looked back.
 
My M11-A1 is one of the best guns I own. It is so reliable it's boring. It is easy to shoot accurately and handles recoil like it's not there.

Whenever I let friends shoot my guns, they all end up wanting to shoot my M11-A1 only.

On its own merits, it should be around for a long time.
 
I like my M11-A1. It's a great deal for the price point coming with the SRT, night sights, and 3 mags for little more than the price of a regular P229. I had a W. German 228 years ago that I should NEVER have sold. There's no gun I regret selling more than that pistol. The M11-A1 makes me fairly happy, though, too.

As far as the Frankengun comments go on the M11-A1, I disagree with that. It's a common notion on SIG-centered forums as well that the M11-A1 is "not a real P228." Well, nobody ever said that the P226 was no longer a "real" P226 when it went to a stainless steel slide without changing designation. Just because they changed the 228 designation to the 229 when they changed the slide construction doesn't mean that a stainless slide P228 isn't a real P228. It's nowhere near as collectable, but it's still got the 228 DNA flowing through it with some more modern SIG touches.
 
As far as the Frankengun comments go on the M11-A1, I disagree with that. It's a common notion on SIG-centered forums as well that the M11-A1 is "not a real P228." Well, nobody ever said that the P226 was no longer a "real" P226 when it went to a stainless steel slide without changing designation. Just because they changed the 228 designation to the 229 when they changed the slide construction doesn't mean that a stainless slide P228 isn't a real P228. It's nowhere near as collectable, but it's still got the 228 DNA flowing through it with some more modern SIG touches.
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I disagree. The P226 evolved into a gun with a stainless steel slide. The M11-A1 is a parts gun. They took parts from existing guns, non P228s, slapped them together and called it a P228/M11-A1. Not a single part in the M11-A1 was developed for the M11-A1. They were all borrowed from existing guns again none of which were the P228. It is a P228 in name only.

To further the franken-gun truth is that they made up the M11-A1 designation. No one adopted the gun. Outside of Sigs mind and marketing there is no M11-A1 only the M11. It has never gone into production for a Govt contract. The UID sticker is a fake. It is pure marketing. IIRC the Navy and other DOD entities still order P228s/M11s under contract. The last orders being somewhere in 2010-2011 timeframe.

I believe they will sell it as long as people buy it but I also believe there are going to be a lot of changes coming to the Sig line up in the next few years. The number of P series variants are going to shrink to more core offerings while the P320 poly line and the high end Legion and US made P210 will increase.
 
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I just purchased one and I have carried concealed for two days. Shot two boxes and it was very accurate with No problems. It was barely used and the drop hammer feature makes me feel it is ready to go when I might need it. Have to purchase two more magazines as it only came with one. A friend owner of the range gave me a 10 round magazine and I used the magazines from my 226 although they stuck out a bit longer than the stock magazine that came with the gun. It is a great pistol!
 
Well I don't know if Sig is going in the right direction with their product offerings. The have so many P-gun variations, iterations and machinations on their website right now, it seems like the flavor of the month club anymore.

As much as I like my M11-A1, I can't imagine that they will continue to sell a lot of these now that the P229 Legion in on the shelves. I think the whole "join the Legion club" approach is a little hokey, but those pistols are really nice!
 
As much as I like my M11-A1, I can't imagine that they will continue to sell a lot of these now that the P229 Legion in on the shelves. I think the whole "join the Legion club" approach is a little hokey, but those pistols are really nice!
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I agree. The Legion club part is stupid but the pistol is legit. If you look at the configuration it would cost you more to do it yourself with a base pistol than simply by the Legion. Bruce Gray agrees. :eek:
 
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