Should the gun control act of 1934 be repealed?

Should the NFA Act of 1984 be repealed?

  • Yes. "Shall not be infringed" means just that. Leggo my M16.

    Votes: 79 95.2%
  • No. I actually like being able to hit what I'm aiming at thank you.

    Votes: 4 4.8%

  • Total voters
    83

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I know this is probably the equivalent of asking folks in a bar if they should be allowed to drink more but I was hoping to provide a thread to discuss the pros & cons of repealing the Act that practically prohibits the right to own machineguns and other items deemed too dangerous for an honest man to possess. (Maybe not honest men, but surely less affluent ones.)

Of course, it won't be repealed for probably a loooong time, but hypothetically if it were, what do you suppose the effects of it would be?



Edited to add: I goofed on the date on the poll. But maybe it's more fitting that way anyway.
 
And the 1968 act as well.

We are at war and every citizen is a target, therefore all means to fight back must be ours.

Geoff
Who isn't big on automatic weapons smaller than 7.62 x 51. :D
 
ANY damned gun control act should be repealed!!! :mad:

Control the criminals instead!!! :mad:

Controlling guns?

What a crock!! :barf:
 
Shotgun Minister
Love that signature...
LOL

Here's the signature that supposedly is worthy of "love":
I tried to see it from a Democrat's point of view. But no matter how hard I tried. I just could not get my head that far up my a**
Yea, vulgar, petty, schoolyard style statements are SOOO original. What's not to love? I mean all he says there is pointless partisanship. I can always tell when someone doesn't have much in the way of logic and facts. They say stuff like that.
 
It must be really uncomfortable, having a Dem's head up his a**. That's disgusting! Does sound like government though.

badbob
 
Now that I have voted yes...

I think that the right direction would be to keep the tax and transfer procedures, but allow new weapons or post '86 weapons onto the registry. It should be enough to satisfy the critics that only one crime has ever been committed with a registered MG. This would allow the common man to afford said toys, but still pacify the .gov types
 
If not outright repealed, at least so severly gutted that the BATFEces pukes find themselves in an unemployment line or downsized and absorbed by another agency with better things to do.
 
Yes it should be repealed, it is against the spirit of the Consistution by limiting the weapons that the Citizens could posses. The Founding Fathers were against the gov't haveing more force than thier bosses the Citizen. They had lived threw the abuses that leads to. Power corrupts, so the Citizens should have the equal force to prevent those abuses.
 
When was the last time you interacted with a BATFE puke?

Last year. My philosophy in dealing with them is the same as for social workers. Work with them recluctantly when you have to and avoid them when you can.
 
I am sorry that you have been treated so poorly by the ATF. I, however, have had nothing but positive experiences with them over the course of the last few years. I know that there are some shady goings-on with the ATF from time to time, but the actual agents I have been in contact with are great people.
 
What a lot of people don't realize is that owning a Class III weapon is a self-limiting proposition. The voracious appetite for ammo means owners can spend huge amounts of money for practice. If you reload, unless you have an automated press, reloading 500 rounds at a time takes a while.

The typical anti-gun argument is that repealing the laws would "allow anyone to own a nuclear weapon". In fact, my position is that the 2nd Amendment covers only weapons that a citizen can keep in his home and also carry into battle himself. This excludes things like crew-served weapons and nuclear weapons.

I would argue that registration could not be claimed to be unconstitutional. But restrictions of one-gun-per-month, waiting periods, required payment of fees(taxes) for any kind of "card" before purchasing, special fees to own or keep more than "x" number of firearms and many other laws could be declared invalid by any judiciary who have their proper duty before them.
 
Since I was not only alive in 1934, I owned an NFA weapon and had to register it - $200.00 was a significant amount at that time - I feel qualified to speak about the infamous NFA. I had to list a reason for owning such a dangerous weapon (otherwise it wouldn't be on the NFA list) and I stated I was a "gun collector". I was nearly eight years old.

It seems that most people think the NFA only applied to fully automatic weapons - it was initially really aimed at restricting ownership of Thompson Submachine Guns because they were the preferred weapon of bootleggers. Never mind that prohibition had been repealed the year before - such trivia never has deterred bureaucrats. That didn't stop them from adding many other guns that were not fully automatic to the list - because they could.

At any rate, one of the "NFA weapons" listed was the H&R Handy Gun - a single shot pistol (mostly .410 in 2 1/2 inch shells but a number of 28 bores also) with a 12" barrel and no choke. It is legal today to manufacture and/or own a pistol that shoots .410 ammo as long as the barrel is rifled so .45 caliber bullets can be fired from that pistol. How that makes it a less dangerous weapon that the smooth bore types, only the BATFE understands. They have reclassified it as a "Curio & Relic" but have consistently, year after year, refused to remove it from the list. Furthermore, if you possess one not registered, there is no legal way to register it and the fine for owning one not registered is $10,000.00 last I heard.

Here is my H&R Handy Gun given to me by a friend of my dad.

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I shot rabbits and prairie dogs and an occasional unwary pheasant with mine - the max game killing range being not much over 15 yards. It is really only a collectors item on the restricted list of a bureau that is totally redundant - set up originally as a tax collecting agency, anything it does could be easily handled by other existing bureaus without even needing new employees. Our tax dollars at work.:mad:

:barf:
 
Furthermore, if you possess one not registered, there is no legal way to register it
Sure there is. I'm sure a title II dealer/manufacturer could assist in getting it registered as an SBS (short barrelled shotgun) for you in that scenario.

1. Disassemble it so it's no longer an "illegal," unregistered SBS.
2. Have a title II manufacturer (or yourself after applying and paying the tax to manufacture an SBS) put it together, and assist you in making the application and collecting the tax.
 
All gun, knife, explosive, etc. control acts should be eliminated and we should return to the original idea of the right to keep and bear arms. PERIOD
 
Can any one tell what the real reason behind the 1934 NFA was?

To ban so-called "gangster weapons" in the wake of a rising crime wave brought upon by the rise of organized crime which itself was brought upon by Prohibition. Of course, once Prohibition was repealed, crime began to go down, so the NFA was really unnecessary. Of course, it probably made the gold seizures by New Deal agents much easier.
 
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