i got a jug and 1/2 of bh209 with a cva accura i purchased from a club member. i have been saving it for winter so i don't have to spit patch the rifles between rounds. the revolvers i can usually get 3 to 4 cylinders through before my fingers give out. winter is the time i have for shooting, spring to fall i am working part time 3 days, kayak fishing and lots of bicycle riding to keep the 70 yr old body moving. odd that i can still ride a bicycle but the joints don't allow for much walking?