You see, I have this date on Saturday evening (first one with this person), and what if a hug, etc. is involved, or she wonders what that thing is in my pocket (P32)? It's the kind of thing I probably wouldn't want to discuss until the 2nd or 3rd date (guns, RKBA, etc.). But I don't want to be disarmed, either. I won't be drinking. So should I be a deliberately unarmed person (DUPE)?
Should I be a DUPE?
- Thread starter Futo Inu
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Don't leave any of your protection at home!
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~USP
"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
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~USP
"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
Gunslinger
Moderator
Personally I would carry as I usually do. If the situation becomes.....ah...intimate later in the evening I would prefer to get the RKBA issue out fo the way before becoming "that" involved only to learn later that she was a rabid anti. I have found that if two people disagree on that issue there will be many. many others they disagree on as well. In that case it could and probably should be a short evening.
On the other hand if she is pro RKBA also and after you are discovered she has a bigger gun then you well...........
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Gunslinger
On the other hand if she is pro RKBA also and after you are discovered she has a bigger gun then you well...........
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Gunslinger
Futo,
[wry smile]
Why waste your time with a girl, ANY girl, who might be a hopeless anti?
In your discussions, determine how open she is to others’ opinions. Guide
the conversation around to a firearm-related topic and see what her views
are.
If appropriate, explain the virtues, dangers, etiquette, and other concerns of
CCW.
By then, you should know if she is WORTH a hug!
[/wry smile]
I understand your concern that she might suddenly cry out in public,
“You’ve got a GUN?” But remember the first rule of a gunfight. (Aww, you
know!!)
If ANYone could convince someone about CCW, I’d trust you to be the guy!!
Bonne chance, monsieur!
(And remember my sig.)
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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
[wry smile]
Why waste your time with a girl, ANY girl, who might be a hopeless anti?
In your discussions, determine how open she is to others’ opinions. Guide
the conversation around to a firearm-related topic and see what her views
are.
If appropriate, explain the virtues, dangers, etiquette, and other concerns of
CCW.
By then, you should know if she is WORTH a hug!
[/wry smile]
I understand your concern that she might suddenly cry out in public,
“You’ve got a GUN?” But remember the first rule of a gunfight. (Aww, you
know!!)
If ANYone could convince someone about CCW, I’d trust you to be the guy!!
Bonne chance, monsieur!
(And remember my sig.)------------------
Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
CoastieN70
New member
Just tell her you're REALLY, REALLY GLAD TO BE WITH HER.
Next time you could melt a vinilla ice cream cone in your pocket. That might really impress her.
Next time you could melt a vinilla ice cream cone in your pocket. That might really impress her.
Cpt. John Park
New member
Two points:
1. As Oleg said, you don't need to worry about her discovering your P32, it's too small.
2. Going armed is something to be proud of. Just because we must conceal our pistols to be legal, we need not conceal our firm convictions on the RKBA. You should carry your usual gun, and make CCW a topic of conversation on the date. If she is anti, then you won't want any "intimacy" anyway, right? Right?!?!
JP
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Nehemiah 4:18 " ... and each of the builders wore his sword at his side as he worked."
1. As Oleg said, you don't need to worry about her discovering your P32, it's too small.
2. Going armed is something to be proud of. Just because we must conceal our pistols to be legal, we need not conceal our firm convictions on the RKBA. You should carry your usual gun, and make CCW a topic of conversation on the date. If she is anti, then you won't want any "intimacy" anyway, right? Right?!?!
JP
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Nehemiah 4:18 " ... and each of the builders wore his sword at his side as he worked."
Now, boys.....
If she is a "hopeless anti," as in Rosie-loving, MMM marching crazy Ms, you're right, forget it.
BUT....don't forget, there are those of us who used to be "fence-sitters" and "convertable" anti's who just didn't have all the facts. A lot of women may initial be anti, but that's because they only know what Brother Bill and Rosie tell them. Given more info, she might just end up on TFL one day!
Just a few months ago, I didn't see any problem with "common sense" gun control, but that's because I had never heard the arguments against it. One day I heard Coinneach and my "cube mate" discussing it and Coinneach said, "NO gun control!!!!"
I asked my cube mate to explain this point of view (I was too scared to get "The Glare" from the scary bald guy down the hall, so I waited till he was gone! ). As soon as Bryan explained to me, I was an instant convert!
So, you never know....
(BTW, if you're still not comfortable with it after hearing Oleg's "testament," I think Jack has a good idea, too...and USP45's advice.....well...heehee)
Just my less than .02 worth from an opinionated (who, me???) female!!!
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If she is a "hopeless anti," as in Rosie-loving, MMM marching crazy Ms, you're right, forget it.
BUT....don't forget, there are those of us who used to be "fence-sitters" and "convertable" anti's who just didn't have all the facts. A lot of women may initial be anti, but that's because they only know what Brother Bill and Rosie tell them. Given more info, she might just end up on TFL one day!
Just a few months ago, I didn't see any problem with "common sense" gun control, but that's because I had never heard the arguments against it. One day I heard Coinneach and my "cube mate" discussing it and Coinneach said, "NO gun control!!!!"
I asked my cube mate to explain this point of view (I was too scared to get "The Glare" from the scary bald guy down the hall, so I waited till he was gone!
). As soon as Bryan explained to me, I was an instant convert!So, you never know....
(BTW, if you're still not comfortable with it after hearing Oleg's "testament," I think Jack has a good idea, too...and USP45's advice.....well...heehee)
Just my less than .02 worth from an opinionated (who, me???) female!!!
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Miss Demeanors
New member
I agree with Cindy (about waiting until the SBG left the cubical ). Seriously, you should be who you are, and that is an armed citizen. If things work out this subject is bound to come up sooner or later, if she notices maybe she won't care? If she does care you will most likely start a conversation about guns, could end up good or could end up bad, but you won't know until that time comes. You also could just be up front with her and at the begining of the date you might want to say that you are armed and ask if that bothers her. (Hey it could save you some money on dinner )
Whatever you do decide, best of luck and have a nice time. Be home by midnight or you are grounded.
). Seriously, you should be who you are, and that is an armed citizen. If things work out this subject is bound to come up sooner or later, if she notices maybe she won't care? If she does care you will most likely start a conversation about guns, could end up good or could end up bad, but you won't know until that time comes. You also could just be up front with her and at the begining of the date you might want to say that you are armed and ask if that bothers her. (Hey it could save you some money on dinner )Whatever you do decide, best of luck and have a nice time. Be home by midnight or you are grounded.
It is a good idea at times to go out without a gun. I do this at times to acknowledge the fact that a gun cannot always be with me, it motivates me to think of other ways to be armed.
I am of the school that says a date doesnt need to know. A steady girlfriend? yeah, probably.
I am of the school that says a date doesnt need to know. A steady girlfriend? yeah, probably.
Oleg's comment about dating pickpockets reminded me of an old skit with Bob Hope and Martha Raye. For some reason, during the skit, Martha Raye ended up with her hand deep inside Bob Hope's front pants pocket.
Well, they realized how silly it looked and began to laugh harder and harder and the skit rather fell apart. The audience was in hysterics already when Martha Raye said, "I feel so silly!"
Bob Hope's classic reply was, "If you go any lower, you'll feel nuts!"
She immediately withdrew her hand and the skit simply self-destructed....
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Oh, the days of live TV...
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited July 20, 2000).]
Well, they realized how silly it looked and began to laugh harder and harder and the skit rather fell apart. The audience was in hysterics already when Martha Raye said, "I feel so silly!"
Bob Hope's classic reply was, "If you go any lower, you'll feel nuts!"
She immediately withdrew her hand and the skit simply self-destructed....
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Oh, the days of live TV...
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited July 20, 2000).]
I carry all the time I'm most of my friends don't know it. If I hug I turn and hug "weak side forward. My "Pocket Rocket" (thank you Rep Blago) never comes in contact with the lady. If I'm carrying with my Belly Band, I'm "Strong" side forward. When I have my High Strong side holster, its straight on but left hand goes up over the shoulder and right hand goes down around her waist. IWB holster I don't care. If her hand is down there she should all ready know or it's time to discuss it anyway.
"Protection? yeah I got Protection."
"Protection? yeah I got Protection."
One further point: if you get invited to stay overnight, you can always transfer the pistol into a bag or an overcoat while you (or your date) are in the bathroom.
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Oleg "peacemonger" Volk
http://dd-b.net/RKBA
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Oleg "peacemonger" Volk
http://dd-b.net/RKBA
Steve Smith
New member
As far as I'm concerned, carry, and on top of that, if RKBA comes into question, and she's a Rosie...I mean so badly you can't get here to even think about your points for a millisecond, don't worry about taking her home. Sorry, but I'm heartless. If she winds up wishing you were around with your gun when she's waiting for a cab and something bad happens, well, that's just too bad.
Ok, hugging tips for the armed among us. Iff'n it gets to the hugging stage and you are armed but don't care to "announce" the fact, you place your arms around her waist, that forces her to put her arms around your neck. Unless you have a real strange carry method, she should not notice you are armed.
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Ne Conjuge Nobiscum
"If there be treachery, let there be jehad!"
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Ne Conjuge Nobiscum
"If there be treachery, let there be jehad!"
The beauty of the P-32 is that it can EASILY be carried in a wallet holster. Get one, carry the dadgummed thing in it, and worry no more! The question won't come up. I like Oleg's optimisim; he already thinks you should have an "overcoat" handy.
Uncle Mike's makes a neat little pocket holster that fits a P-32 pretty well, and it wouldn't be hard to modify an edisting leather wallet holster designed for a .25 to work for a P-32. In my opinion, when a man is a woman's "Date," he is also properly her "Escort." In my narrow-minded little chivalrous world, that means that the Gentleman is at least partly responsible for the Lady's safety. Disarming yourself in advance is a rather poor way to effect the guarentee of this safety.
Don't worry; if that situation arises, you've already got luck on your side, m'boy.
The question won't come up. I like Oleg's optimisim; he already thinks you should have an "overcoat" handy. Uncle Mike's makes a neat little pocket holster that fits a P-32 pretty well, and it wouldn't be hard to modify an edisting leather wallet holster designed for a .25 to work for a P-32. In my opinion, when a man is a woman's "Date," he is also properly her "Escort." In my narrow-minded little chivalrous world, that means that the Gentleman is at least partly responsible for the Lady's safety. Disarming yourself in advance is a rather poor way to effect the guarentee of this safety.
Don't worry; if that situation arises, you've already got luck on your side, m'boy.