Short-barrel on .243?

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Will Beararms

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I have heard that 100 grain bullets may not perform well out of short barrel. I am interested in a Model 700 youth in the black synthetic stock.

I have specific application in mind for this gun and since females and children will use the rifle for hunting, I want to stay with the .243.

The Browning A-bolt micro hunter is out of the question since I refuse to support Miroku (SP?) of Japan who actually makes it.

If anyone has any other ideas, please confine them to Amewrican-made products only.

I have recently purged my weapons collection of anything not made in America except for one heirloom. I know that may sound crazy but the older I get and I'm only 36, the more I realize that buying American is critical to maintain what we have. The nissan and honda have been replaced with Ford and Chevy and the Sigs, Glocks and Berettas have been replaced with Ruger P series. The Benelli and the A-Bolt are gone and the Remington and Marlin have arrived.

I am a traveling salesman and I have recently dealt with guys who fought in the Vietnam, the Pacific and Europe. I should have had my &#* kicked for how I have spent my money in the past.

Speaking only for myself--------WB

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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
 
I have a 19" Sako in .243. It has alternated with my '06 as a deer rifle; I've killed about 20 or so with it.

I mostly load the Sierra 85-grain HPBT for deer and coyotes. Federal uses that bullet.

I tried Nosler 100-grain bullets one time, and did not get good accuracy. I think the twist of my barrel might be too slow; I get 3/8" groups with 60-, 70- and 85-grain bullets.

Unless your area's deer field-dress over 120-130 pounds, I wouldn't worry at all about the 85-grain bullets. 95% of my kills have been one-shot, mostly dropped in their tracks. Never any hard trailing.

FWIW, Art
 
I believe in this case, rate-of-twist is more important than barrel length. For every inch you cut off, you should lose about 40 or so fps on average.

Check to make sure your twist rate is compatible with the bullet weight.

Hueco

By the way, my firearms are ALL American also: Ruger, Marlin, and Mossberg. My car is a different story...Swedish.

[This message has been edited by Hueco (edited August 18, 2000).]
 
Actually, there ain't no such thing as an American car. At least, not ALL American. Fords, for instance, use wiring harnesses made in Brazil. (The insulation is a vegetable-based plastic, which is why mice eat the stuff.)

A large amount of the trim on GM cars comes from Canada.

If it's cast aluminum, it can come from India or Mexico, and I think Brazil.

A lot of V-6 engines are built in SE Asia.

This is just an off-the-cuff, tip of the iceberg sort of thing. There's a lot more.

And around 20% of our GDP is from stuff we export to these other countries.

FWIW, Art
 
Art. Have you tried the Nosler 95 gr. Partition? It was designs for the early .244 Rem. with the 1 in 12 inch twist. I have had excellent accuracy with this bullet in 4 different .243's.
On American car. I used to have a pamphlet that gave how much went where on a $20,000 Chevy caprice. I lost it, but if memory serves, only $6,000 of that twenty grand ended up here in the U.S. The rest went ot Japan, England, Thailand, Mexico, and elsewhere. I can't remember them all, but I think it was about 9 other countries.
My 93 Toyota 4-by has been totally trouble free. My 98 Explorer has been recalled 3 or 4 times, and now I have to put up with that B.S. on Firestones tires.
Will. Look into the Winchester Mod. 70 Youth ranger. It comes with a 22" barrel in .243 and .308. I have one in .308, and it's a good shooter. If you go to something with a shorter barrel, try the 95 gr. Nosler.
Paul B.
 
Paul B., thanks for the tip on the 95-grain Nosler. I imagine it would be far better for the mule deer than would the 85-grain Sierra I've used on white tail and coyotes.

:) My '85 Toyota is now over 250,000 miles. I've done 95% of all work done on it; it has now cost me 12 cents per mile, total money. My wife's on her third Ford Exploder; the '92 had a transmission die at 100,000 miles, but no other problems.

We have 40,000 miles on the Firestones. I keep them around 35 psi and avoid rocks and chuckholes. Right now, I have them down to 30 psi to relieve strain on the belt; awaiting tires at the Dealer.

Back in the '70s, recommended pressures for Michelins were too low. As a result, they heated up enough that they de-vulcanized and the tread flew off.

Check your tire pressures when cold. After ten miles or so, check them again. If the pressure is up over ten percent, you started at too low a pressure. If the pressure is up less than eight percent, you started at too high a pressure.

(Don't thank me; than Goodyear Racing.)

:), Art
 
I'm seriously thinking about the .308 700 Youth ADL versus the .243.

With regards to the wonderfully crafted argument every foreign car salesman throws out by virtue of the little poster of a given American vehicle with a diagram showing where all the parts come from, I have been down that road and have the t-shirt and coffee mug to prove it.

I too, concur with Art that the Toyota is an incredible value. I have been involved in manufacturing for twelve years as a sales person selling to all heavy industries including the automotive space. I have witnessed how Japanese car companies treat American vendors and I have a bad taste in my mouth about it.

Case in point, the company that I just left to get involved in e-commerce and take the risk of my life, developed a specialty adhesive for a Japanese manufacturer. After two years and several thousand dollars worth of research, the Japs copied our formula and told us we would have to be at least 50% cheaper than a Japanese company who got our technology. I try to keep my posts decent but where I come from we call that Chicken $%^& and that is just what they are IMHO. I AM NOT innocent in this. I used to buy Japanese and I was always well-served.

Then there is the fact that we are losing good-paying jobs by the thousands each day and the Government is lying when they say training will be abundant to help workers adjust. Additionally, Detroit does alot of sub-contracting and entrpreneurs who have tier-two manufacturing facilities get the shaft as well.

I have been there several times in my young 36 years and it is heart-breaking when you develop a relationship with good, hard-working people who don't make the high wages we all hear about but work hard anyway only to find out that their plant in small town OK,TX,OH,IL or KY is shutting down because someone in another land can be paid pennies a day with no benefits.

I probably won't hurt ever due to this and may even benefit but I came from humble beginnings in Arkansas, working my first job at the age of 11 and working all through Grade school and college to make it while others were playing. Not everyone wants to be a lawyer or Doctor or scientist and it hurts me. Am I and Idealist? Yes. Am I totally anti-free trade? No.

Well, I'll shut up. Sorry.
 
Will Beararms, I'll just leave it that there's Free Trade and there's Fair Trade, and there's a vast difference between them.

I guess I'm like a lot of folks: I'll try here, first. Doesn't matter if it's gun, car or whatever.

:) Er, uh, is it okay to re-cycle old, used foreign stuff?

As usual, Ol' Smartmouth
 
Hey Art:

I am a smart-mouth just like you. I do believe in Fair Trade as well. I spent a year in Mexico in the NAFTA and was well treated. I am about to start driving my own car again with the new venture and I may come back and eat my words to drive a Honda.

If I do, I will come back to you with my hat in my hands!

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