I have heard that you can shoot a 45 underwater. I would think that this would be very dangerous, but I have read about people doing this. Has anyone here done and if so what where the results. Why would anyone want to shoot there 45 underwater(with the exception of life or death).
Shooting underwater?
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Jamie Young
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I think most guns would fire under water unless the powder/primer was wet. There are guns that are specifically designed for shooting underwater. There more like knive or speer shooting guns. I saw a picture of some kind of Russian Underwater gun that was a 4 shot pistol. It had 4 barrels and these really long speer looking bullets about 3inches long. I wonder how well the action would cycle on most semi autos?
Of course HK has one!
Check out http://www.hkpro.com/peleven.htm for an HK designed to fire under water.
Dave
Check out http://www.hkpro.com/peleven.htm for an HK designed to fire under water.
Dave
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PreserveFreedom
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I heard that there is a kit that allows your first shot from a Glock to be fired underwater. As far as I can see, the problem lies with a full barrel being one big obstruction. The rapid decelleration may not seem like a problem once the bullet leaves the barrel, but I can only imagine what a tube full of water, combined with the friction of travelling through the barrel would do. I wouldn't wanna fire underwater. I think I would bring a spear gun with if I had to.
Mike Irwin
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The person who mentioned equalizing pressure inside and out has it correct.
If the water is surrounding the gun and is also IN the gun, guess what you have?
A different kind of atmosphere.
It's denser than air, it exerts more pressure on the gun & resists the bullet more than air, but it is essentially an atmosphere, and a gun that works in an air atmosphere will most likely operate, at least for one shot, in a liquid atmosphere.
Where you REALLY start to have problems, though, is if you have an air bubble in the barrel. Then it acts like an obstruction, and you're likely going to have problems.
If the water is surrounding the gun and is also IN the gun, guess what you have?
A different kind of atmosphere.
It's denser than air, it exerts more pressure on the gun & resists the bullet more than air, but it is essentially an atmosphere, and a gun that works in an air atmosphere will most likely operate, at least for one shot, in a liquid atmosphere.
Where you REALLY start to have problems, though, is if you have an air bubble in the barrel. Then it acts like an obstruction, and you're likely going to have problems.
biltongG23
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Mike - Would that then be a hydrosphere?
Not reccomended:
shock waves underwater against unprotected flesh&Bone
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Uncertainty as to round trajectory
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Strict ammo criteria
= Unhappy person if anything goes wrong...
Again, why anyone would want to take a fine weapon and operate it in a manner totally removed from its purpose is a mystery to me....
shock waves underwater against unprotected flesh&Bone
+
Uncertainty as to round trajectory
+
Strict ammo criteria
= Unhappy person if anything goes wrong...
Again, why anyone would want to take a fine weapon and operate it in a manner totally removed from its purpose is a mystery to me....
ONE of the reasons I let my subscription to Handguns lapse is the said Mr. Taylor's ritings. I have no doubt he is a well qualified pistoleer, but as a writer he is laughable and an embarrassment to gun enthusiasts everywhere. His articles about guns in combat are especially bad, where Mr. Taylor invents dialog and thought processes for his "characters," including peppering the sentences with numerous d***s, f***s, s***s, and H***s. I s*** you not!
CharlieTuna
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It would probably really suck if you tried to shoot hollow points through that environment.
Wait a minute...I thought the issue was the increased pressure the barrell would experience while pushing the water out of the way. It would be the equivalent of pushing a much heavier bullet, since you have to move the bullet and all water in the barrel. So if you're shooting a .45 with a 230 gr. bullet, and the weight of the water in the barrel is 200gr, then your .45 is shooting the equivalent of a 430gr. bullet, and pressures could be a problem.
I don't think equalization would make a difference in that case. The water is much denser than air, so even if the water is equal inside and out, the powder charge still has to move the more dense water out of the barrel.
Hmmmm, if you plug the barrel with a cork or equivalent, would that seal the water out? Or would water seep in around the bullet in the chamber? I would think you'd be safe with a first shot if the barrel were full of air and not water.
Shoot, did I just open the worm can again?
I don't think equalization would make a difference in that case. The water is much denser than air, so even if the water is equal inside and out, the powder charge still has to move the more dense water out of the barrel.
Hmmmm, if you plug the barrel with a cork or equivalent, would that seal the water out? Or would water seep in around the bullet in the chamber? I would think you'd be safe with a first shot if the barrel were full of air and not water.
Shoot, did I just open the worm can again?
Per my buddy, the former Gunsite smithy dude:
Only proven safe with 9mm Glocks, using FMJ ammo. My speculation is thatthe EFMJ ammo *might* work as well. Hollow points tend to expand and increase bore friction far more than the weight of the fluid water does--or maybe it's just not *proven* yet.
Glocks will not reliably ignite the primers undewater, without the legendary "maritime" striker spring cups.
The intended purpose is nighttime removal of dockside sentries, from no more than 12 inches below the surface (muzzle reference point). The report includes some knowledge base/info being existant for aiming corrections for firing at something like a 45-degree angle from the surface...IIRC!
Besides all that, it's reportedly very nice to have repeat shot capability for contact-distance shark work. If the Fackler data holds up, the penetration of any bullet underwater will be 1.6 times the distance they get in bare jello.
Only proven safe with 9mm Glocks, using FMJ ammo. My speculation is thatthe EFMJ ammo *might* work as well. Hollow points tend to expand and increase bore friction far more than the weight of the fluid water does--or maybe it's just not *proven* yet.
Glocks will not reliably ignite the primers undewater, without the legendary "maritime" striker spring cups.
The intended purpose is nighttime removal of dockside sentries, from no more than 12 inches below the surface (muzzle reference point). The report includes some knowledge base/info being existant for aiming corrections for firing at something like a 45-degree angle from the surface...IIRC!
Besides all that, it's reportedly very nice to have repeat shot capability for contact-distance shark work. If the Fackler data holds up, the penetration of any bullet underwater will be 1.6 times the distance they get in bare jello.
Caught on tape
Recently I had a chance to watch a commercially available video about this same subject. Lenny Magill, a firearms entrepeneur who owns GunVideo.com, did a video shot in a residential swimming pool in which he fired a number of handguns, revolvers and semi-autos ranging in calibre from .22 thru .44 Magnum. Among the recorded results: auto pistols cycled, HPs expanded, none of the handguns suffered any damage and neither he nor his cameraman were injured.
Recently I had a chance to watch a commercially available video about this same subject. Lenny Magill, a firearms entrepeneur who owns GunVideo.com, did a video shot in a residential swimming pool in which he fired a number of handguns, revolvers and semi-autos ranging in calibre from .22 thru .44 Magnum. Among the recorded results: auto pistols cycled, HPs expanded, none of the handguns suffered any damage and neither he nor his cameraman were injured.