Shooting the Liberator Pistol

Jbar4Ranch

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First off was a thorough examination of the old gal to make sure she'd hold together. There are two holes in the frame, one on each side, that must either be alignment holes for the stamping press, or jig holes for assembly. Using a jeweler's loupe and a "grain of rice" light bulb inserted through one of the holes and hooked to a D cell battery, I could see the sear surfaces quite plainly and they looked to be in excellent condition, as did the main spring and control rod. The reprint blueprints I have spec the sear and trigger to be C.R.L. (Cold Rolled Steel), and case hardened. There didn't appear to be any defects in the bore, and although I didn't mic or slug the barrel, a 230 grain FMJ bullet could be pushed through with hand pressure only. It was a tight fit, and took some effort, but there was no need to pound it through with anything. A week ago I loaded up some rounds consisting of a standard garden variety 200 grain cast SWC sized to .452" over 3.5 grains of IMR Trail Boss and primed with a... ? Yep, a ? There's no reason that I would have used anything but a standard pistol primer, but what I wrote on the box was CCI-200, which is a large rifle primer. Hmmmm. They don't appear to be high, so I think I just made a typo in my notes, but maybe not, more on that later on.
First I "sighted in". (OK, it's a staged shot, play along)
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Next, I scouted out the hamlet and buddied up to one of the local Nazi occupiers, one Herr Rolf. A nice kid really, too bad he got caught up in this mess.
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Uh oh... well, Herr Rolf, as long as I missed all five times, can't we still be friends?
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The distance was twenty feet, and had I taken a couple of practice shots in the basement of our resistance fighter's ghetto apartment before I went out on the street to meet up with Herr Rolf, I could easily have placed one right in his ear from my hiding spot behind the garbage can. The five shot group measures about 1¾", center to center, and is slightly to the left and about a foot high. The bullets showed no signs of tumbling at this range. Three of the five rounds didn't go bang the first time... CCI primers are notorious for being hard, and it's also possible that I mistakenly used rifle primers. (Maybe when yer hunting Nazis, you just load whatcha got!)

Although it's a smooth bore, hence no torque, all five shots resulted in the cocking block rebounding on recoil, which was expected, but it also turned to the right as shown. A common complaint among those that have shot these things is that the web of your hand gets pinched between the cocking block and the frame on recoil, which usually draws blood. Learning from other's mistakes, I held a little lower on the grip to avoid this.
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When the rounds did go off, the firing pin left an impressive dent in the primer, even perforating one. This could just as well be due to the low pressure load not expanding and gripping the chamber and allowing the case to be forced back onto it too. The three that didn't go bang the first time around did not have much of a dent in them the first time. All five empties fell out easily with the push of a dowel.
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If this specimen is any indication of Liberators as a whole, it would have been a very effective pistol for its intended purpose.
 
Thanks for sharing the report. It's interesting to know those Liberators shoot a foot high at 20 feet. I wonder how many resistance fighters missed a close head shot? With the 230-grain ball, it would group even higher wouldn't it?
 
Thanks Jbar, great report.

Man, I wished I lived closer to you, would love to just get to hold that piece of History (and would beg of course to fire it at least one time :) ).

Wayne
 
Nice report, Jbar!

What is the history behind this gun? Where and when was it manufactured? I would like to learn a little bit about this interesting gun.

And it looks like a hoot to shoot! What was the recoil like?
 
Nice, These WWII guns were cheaply mass produced then air-dropped over occupied areas for use by resistance fighters. They were mean to be used at contact distances to kill an enemy so you could get his gun. Be carefull with that though, I have heard they can be fired just by pressing on the slide!:eek:
 
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Well now all you gotta do is send it out to one of the custom 45 shops, have them put on the lastest black teflon coating, a beavertail to prevent that pinch, a set of rare diamond checked cocobolo grips, tritium adjustable sights, useless serrations, and a trigger job. Then it will be on the cover of the trendy gun mags as the ultimate pocket size .45 combat pistol! You can overlook the inconvenience of the ammo capacity, accuracy, and cocking system, cause it will look so cool! :p
 
They were made by a division of General Motors, Inland Guide Lamp, in 1942, and were intended to be air dropped to resistance groups in occupied territories. Ten rounds were supplied in the box and the idea was to take a few practice shots to learn the characteristics, then use it to shoot your favorite neighborhood Nazi at point blank range, and take his weapon(s). In actual use, it would have definitely been a one shot proposition, you either succeeded with your first shot, or you were dead. About a million were made over a period of eleven weeks, which comes out to something like one complete pistol every six seconds or so, twenty four hours a day, for eleven weeks. It's often said that it takes longer to reload a Liberator than it took to make one. Even for as short a time as they were made, there are at least five distinct variations known, including a prototype two shot version that had a sliding breech block which held two rounds. Mine is the most common variation, and there is evidence that it's been shot before, which is why I wasn't worried about depreciating it any by firing it five times. Very few, perhaps none, were ever dropped in Nazi occupied Europe, but a few were dropped in the Phillipines and China. Most were scrapped after the war, and I understand a great number of them ended up at the bottom of the English Channel along with various other unwanted war surplus materials. I have yet to see an estimate of how many survived, but judging by how many I've seen in my life (3, including this one), I'd say *not very damn many*. I've seen more Ruger Hawkeyes, and there were only 3300 of those made. Although several original opened boxes exist in various collections and museums, there is only one known example of a Liberator pistol still in its original sealed box.

Fascinating stuff, history is.
 
Thank you for that report and the photographs of the target. I guess it's a point-blank shove in the gut and fire type weapon.
 
Very interesting. Thanks.

I saw one of these Liberators at a gun show in S. Florida a few years ago. I don't remember what the asking price was, but I bet it was significantly steep for what the gun really is.


Any info on the legality/practicality of actually making these NOWadays? Would they be legal to manufacture and sell, domestically? (I'm pretty sure they could not earn enough BATF "points" to earn import...)

I think it would be pretty cool to "pre-arm" a "resistance" for the U.S. by making a whole load of these and distributing them just in case we ever become "occupied" like Europe did.


-azurefly
 
When was the last time anyone saw one on the open market? And what did it bring ???
I've seen at least six that I can think of offhand that I've seen listed for sale over the past six months to a year. The prices ranged from around $1700 to $2250 on five of them, and almost four thousand on the sixth because it had all its original accoutrements; Gun, outer box, inner box, ten rounds of '42 FA factory ammo, cardboard ammo box, instructions, ejector dowel, and spacer block. The spacer block was just a small block of wood that kept things in place inside the box.

So how was the recoil? What does it weigh?
I haven't weighed mine, but the specs say 16 oz. Recoil is somewhat unpleasant with standard 230 grain FMJ, but I was using mild, low-pressure reloads with Trail Boss and a 200 grain cast lead bullet and it wasn't bad at all. 5.5 grains is IMR's recommended load with a 200 grain lead bullet, and I was using 3.5 grains.

Any info on the legality/practicality of actually making these NOWadays? Would they be legal to manufacture and sell, domestically?
No. Well, yes, conditionally, but the price and licensing would be prohibitive, and there would be little or no market for it as it's a smooth bore and that would make it AOW. ATF has exempted the originals and added them to the C&R list.
 
Thanks for sharing the report. It's interesting to know those Liberators shoot a foot high at 20 feet. I wonder how many resistance fighters missed a close head shot? With the 230-grain ball, it would group even higher wouldn't it?
I think it's highly unlikely that these things were assembled uniformly enough that they all displayed similar sighting and point of impact characteristics. The one six seconds ahead of this one might have printed a foot low and two feet right and the one six seconds behind it might have been dead on. Who knows. All things being equal, the heavier boolit is going to hit higher, but I was loaded to a greatly reduced velocity, so... I'd say it's likely that the rule of thumb would be reversed in this case, and the lighter boolit would hit higher due to the considerably lower velocity. IMR's recommended load with Trail Boss in the .45acp with a 200 grain lead bullet is 5.5 grains, and I used 3.5. Protocol was for the resistance fighter to practice with maybe half of the ten rounds the pistol was packaged with to learn its sighting and point of impact characteristics, so when it came down to the one that counted, he had a good idea of where to hold if he couldn't get close enough to make a contact shot.
 
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