Shoot to kill Bill

redhawk44p

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I just read this article at Sixgunner.com. Will our lawmakers try this here?

The Australian government, after having forced its citizens to surrender their firearms, wants to give its standing army the power to shoot its own citizens. A bill that has already passed the House of Representatives would allow the army to mow down protestors and civil dissidents. Green Party Member of Parliament Bob Brown, realizing the potential for abuse, is cautioning the government to reconsider because the bill would allow the government to call out the army without first getting permission from the state or consulting with it first.

The bill, known as the Defence Legislation Amendment Bill 2000 (Aid to the Civilian Authorities) allows the army to use reasonable and necessary force to suppress civilians. Of course, the definition of "reasonable and necessary" are defined by the government. The bill would also allow the army to enter buildings without warrant, cordon off areas, erect barricades and stop vehicles in order to search and seize. The army would also have the authority to stop, search and detain civilians and seize personal property.

The most chilling portion of the bill would allow the army to use lethal force whenever the government decides it has "reasonable grounds" to believe that such action is necessary. Brown’s objection to the bill is that it does not define "domestic violence," which is one of the reasons the armed forces would be given their "shoot-to-kill" orders.

Damien Lawson, a community legal educator at Melbourne’s Western Suburbs Legal Service, was quoted in the Aug. 10 edition of The Sydney Morning Herald as saying, "…domestic violence was so undefined that it’s really a political decision of the government of the day as to whether they think they can get way with using troops."

Three of Australia’s largest unions have joined Brown’s Green Party in opposing the shoot-to-kill bill. The Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union, the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union and the Maritime Union of Australia all call the shoot-to-kill bill a threat to democracy. These unions have a right to be worried as strikes and work shutdowns may be construed by the government as "domestic violence" and "civil unrest," which would necessitate the use of lethal force on unarmed workers.

Labor Sen. Barney Cooney, chairman of a Senate committee charged with examining the impact of the shoot-to-kill bill, expressed his views in an Aug. 18 edition of The Herald. "The Army and the police forces really exercise different functions. The function of the Army is to defend us from external forces. In civil society, the police are the ones that look after us. To confuse those functions," Cooney said, "is very dangerous and should only be done in the most drastic of cases."

Other Rights

Cooney is very disturbed by the special powers given the military if the bill should pass. It does not detail the rights of citizens when detained, rights they would have if in police custody.

Realizing that history has a tendency to repeat itself, minorities in Australia are very worried about the shoot-to-kill bill. As in most governments where the military has the right to kill its citizens, minorities are the first to face the business end of a firearm. Their concern is shared by the New South Wales Labor Council.

Vietnamese, Filipino, Indonesian and Yugoslav workers fear they may be targets for the military’s bullets if they should decide to strike or protest work conditions. Many of the minorities in Australia fled there to escape their own government’s shoot-to-kill mentality.

Prime Minister John Howard claims that minorities and other citizens have nothing to worry about, that the shoot-to-kill bill is aimed at curbing terrorism, not civil disobedience. But if he’s so confident that this bill is so benign, why did the government attempt to rush it through Parliament at the last minute supposedly to get it passed in time to protect athletes during the Summer Olympics?

Vicki Bourne, spokesperson for the Democrats, expressed her doubts in the Aug. 22 edition of the Australian publication The Age. "The government has known that the Olympics were to be held in Sydney for seven years. So why has it been left to the 11th hour to put this legislation before the Parliament?" she asked.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by REast:
...bill would also allow the army to enter buildings without warrant...stop vehicles in order to search and seize...authority to stop, search and detain civilians and seize personal property...
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Back in the Dark Ages, it was considered the RIGHT of a conquering army to loot and pillage...in fact, that's how the troops were often paid!
 
This is not really a surprise. History has proven that once a "threat" (a.k.a. the gun owners) are removed then a dictatorship is formed. Now such no one is left to fight back, the government is expanding it's "Right" to enslave the citizens and do as it pleases, when it pleases. Do you really think that the U.S. government, once it disarms everyone, is going to be any different? Heck, we've already got this bill in law here... it's called the emergencies act. Our "trusted" president can, at his discretion, order martial law in the event of an "emergency". Once this martial law is declared, the Constitution and the BoR's are suspended until the "emergency" is over... if it ever ends. FEMA has already used this power in areas such as Homestead, Fla and countless other cities/towns that have suffered loss due to weather or natural incidents. Curfews are appointed, people who use to live in the area are barred from entering, and looters can be shot on sight. People are forced to go to shelters, even if their house wasn't damaged enough to abandon. Now, no shootings that I know of have been reported in these areas but people are not free to exercise their Rights at these times. Armed patrols are all over the area and if you volunteer to help clean up the mess, you can be searched at any time to ensure you didn't take anything.

Now, people may or may not have different opinions about if this is or is not a good thing during this time. But, I use that as a point to express how FEMA would/will react to an external threat, or G-d forbide, an actual attack on our soil. Would we "voluteer" to go to a "shelter" even if our homes were not damaged or the threat wasn't within our area? Once martial law is declared, the "shoot to kill" order for the military is embedded within the EO. Now, this isn't going to happen yet (unless bore really pushes banning guns within four years) but it could happen... we would just be a mirror of Australia.

USP45usp

*It is a shame about Australia... I wanted to go there in my lifetime.. I love the accent and I hear it's a beautiful place... but now, it's just another dictatorship in the making.
 
Come to the US. Your governments' version of carnivor will lead them to you. You're now a "dissident" in Neo-socialist State.
 
Sad very sad :( And if the sheeple don't wake up here, It could be coming soon to a town near you :eek:

WAKE UP AMERICA

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Anonymous
 
Don't we already have a bit of military involvement in the "war on some drugs". Shootin down aircraft, backing up the border patrol, Waco etc...???? Plus of course the already mentioned FEMA fiasco.

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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
Bruce, My friend, this is called WAR
The rules of engagement have been set by your ??former?? government. You have a very serious problem there mate!
 
Kent State ( National Gaurd)

Ruby Ridge ( FBI HRT )

Waco (BATF;FBI;ARMY;DELTA)

The 14 year old hispanic shepard on the Texas Border (USMC)

The 11 year old in California (California JBT)

Why yes, we do have such a bill. The government already murders innocents.
 
The moment that a president declares martial law, the Constitution will be suspended until further notice.

Meaning our rights would be wiped away.

At this point, the only thing to do, would be to organize and protect our families and property best we can.

Waterdog
 
Lemme tell ya, This is not coming to a town near me, None of my guns are registered, and if they try to come and get them "uh, oh yeah, I sold those guns years ago...don't you know guns are bad n stuff?" I won't give my guns up. I'm going to save up some money and buy me some damn assault rifles and bury them somewhere for when I need them :)
It's the sheeple and the fence sitters who are hosing us over. People need to wip the grit out of there eyes, look at history, remember what pat presidents have said about preserving our freedoms, AND VOTE!!!!
 
It sounds like the last day at the Alamo in here. I was hoping that Bush would get elected and we would gain some ground back. We need to have hope and enjoy our sport. Weak Willie is almost outta there. I will celebrate that day. Gore the bore is not the monster that weak willie has proven himself to be.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BadMedicine:
...I'm going to save up some money and buy me some damn assault rifles and bury them...[/quote]

If you think things are getting so bad you're going to bury your guns, how bad will they have to get before you dig them up again?

Anyway, the day the Constitution is suspended is the day America will cease to exist. No America, no recognized authority of ANY type, if you catch my drift...

I think we're a long way from that yet. But if we get 4 years of A l g o r ???
 
I am really new to guns, so forgive my ignorance.

How long has this been going on in Australia? It seems to me that they are on a fast march to dictatorship, and I find it incredible that events are moving so quickly without anyone starting a war. So someone please give me a short histroy lesson in how AU got this far this fast.

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