Shipping a C&R question

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easyliven88

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Hey all, I'm shipping a rifle tomorrow through ups and am wondering what to tell them when they ask in the box? I am an FFL03 shipping to another FFL03, this is my first time shipping so I guess I'm a little nervous lol. Thanks


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You are required to notify them that you are shipping a firearm (rifle) to an FFL.
They will require you ship with Adult Signature Required on delivery.

EDIT: Double checked- I misspoke. The notification requirement only applies if shipping a handgun- not long guns.
Also, make sure nothing on the package would indicate it might contain a firearm ( cannot ship to an address such as "Jim's Guns"...)

Read their requirements, here:
https://www.ups.com/content/us/en/r....html?srch_pos=1&srch_phr=firearm&WT.svl=SRCH
 
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Tell them the truth
Tell them exactly what it is
There should be no problems

You will also need a copy of both FFLs for their records
 
Make sure to get the insurance if it is over $100.

(Personally, I found Fedex Ground to be a better deal, as well as the USPS)

You will also need a copy of both FFLs for their records
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Sorry, absolutely false
 
Thanks for the replies, i was just a little nervous being my first time and didn't want to cause a panic at the shipping center.


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Really no different than when a dealer ships a C&R to you. The UPS man used to tell my wife, "Do you know there's a gun in this box?" and her reply was always, "Yes." After about number 10, he quit asking.

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I once ordered a "special deal" from (IIRC) Navy Arms. The express guy asked the same question - did I know there was a gun in the box. I told him there better be three of them in there or I was going to have to report him. When I closed the door, his mouth was still moving but there was no sound coming out.

Jim
 
In reference to the copys of FFLs

The UPS store I use always ask for them
the one time the clerk did not, her boss chewed her ass good

Whether it is required or not its easy to have them ready

( black and white or color copys does not matter )
 
firewrench044 said:
The UPS store I use always ask for [FFL copies]
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UPS stores are franchises and AFAIK most of them won't even handle firearms. I presume that asking for FFL copies is a local franchisee policy. It may be unique to the one store. [EDIT: Also refer to tobnpr's follow-on post.]

I've shipped numerous firearms via UPS, always through company-operated hubs, and they have NEVER asked me to produce any supplemental paperwork of any sort.
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With a long gun, you can use USPS and probably save some money.
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+1, just be aware that the package must contain a shoulder stock and a barrel 16 inches or more in length, and the rifle must have an overall length of 26 inches or greater as assembled; otherwise it is not considered to be a rifle and is lumped together with handguns, which licensed collectors may not lawfully ship via USPS unless they're legal antiques [EDIT: the firearms being antiques, not necessarily the collectors, although this may also be the case ;)]. Check the "How to ship firearms" thread that's stickied in the General Discussion subforum.
 
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I've always had to go to the UPS hub here to ship them.The UPS stores won't touch them. The truck will drop them off at my home though.
 
The UPS stores won't touch them.
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And they're not supposed to, per UPS regs.
However, some still do- even pack them up for the customer. Either they'd rather risk their franchise over a few bucks, or have an employee that doesn't know the rules...
 
I got a Fedex account a few years ago. I do the packing, labeling, and paperwork and just drop the box off at the nearest Fedex location. Easiest process in the world, and cheaper. No hassles from any counter people.
 
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So I went yesterday, fully prepared with licenses. Either the guy an NRA member or the hub I went to is really lax. The guy didn't ask for anything, just asked what's in the box. I said an antique long rifle and he didn't even bat an eye...done.

Thanks for all the advice.


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^^

Either he didn't know the "rules"- or he did...

The overwhelming majority (some rare exceptions) of 1898 and earlier "antiques" (long rifle, or handgun) is NOT a "firearm". You didn't state in your original post that it was an antique.

No FFL license was even needed- and no background checks, 4473's, etc. are done on them. They do not fall under the purview of the GCA.

You were not shipping a firearm, so no special requirements.
 
easyliven88 said:
So I went yesterday, fully prepared with licenses. Either the guy an NRA member or the hub I went to is really lax. The guy didn't ask for anything, just asked what's in the box. I said an antique long rifle and he didn't even bat an eye...done.
tobnpr said:
The overwhelming majority (some rare exceptions) of 1898 and earlier "antiques" (long rifle, or handgun) is NOT a "firearm". You didn't state in your original post that it was an antique.
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Easyliven88, did you mean "antique" in the sense of "really old", or a legal antique per 18 U.S. Code § 921(a)(16)?

To be concise, I generally use the phrase "legal antique" for the latter. AFAIK legal antiques may be shipped via FedEx and UPS without any significant restrictions, including to non-licensees, although I always recommend double-checking their tariffs to be certain. Due to a peculiar restriction in USPS Publication 52 § 432.2.a, an 03 FFL may not mail a legal antique handgun to anyone unless it is also C&R eligible, but this does not apply to rifles and shotguns; refer to the stickied shipment thread.

Lastly, I believe that the "rare exceptions" spoken of by tobnpr are pre-1899 fixed-cartridge firearms that fall within the purview of the NFA. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. :))
 
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