Senate brought to standstill over guns:

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May 16, 2000 - 08:40 PM

Gun Issue Brings Senate to Standstill.
By David Espo
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Two days after the Million Mom March for
gun control, Democrats on Tuesday brought the Senate to a
standstill over the issue and won a promise for a pair of politically
sensitive votes on Wednesday.

Democratic Leader Tom Daschle unexpectedly injected the topic
into debate on routine spending legislation, and told reporters he
had informed Majority Leader Trent Lott, "you will not finish this bill
this week or maybe next week" without allowing votes on gun
control.

Lott promised votes on Wednesday on two nonbinding measures
involving plans to reduce juvenile crime. Democrats had sought
resolutions commending the Million Mom March this past
weekend, but the GOP measure does not mention the march.

The gun control issue has been simmering for a year. In the wake
of the 1999 student massacre at Columbine High School in
Colorado, the Senate cleared legislation to crack down on juvenile
crime that included White House-backed restrictions on sales at
gun shows and a requirement for safety devices to be sold with
guns.

Republicans broke ranks on the issue, and Vice President Al Gore
cast a tie-breaking vote on May 20 to clear the measure over
opposition by the GOP leadership.

The House version of the bill did not include the gun control
provisions, though, and negotiations on a compromise have been
stalled for months.

The Million Mom March was designed to pressure Congress to act
on gun control, and Daschle went to the Senate floor at the first
available opportunity since then to raise the issue.

He proposed a non-binding measure commending those involved in
the march, and declaring that Congress should "immediately
pass" legislation that includes the gun control provisions that
cleared the Senate a year ago.

Lott immediately used a parliamentary device that suspended
proceedings on the floor for several hours. Republicans have 10
first-term senators on the ballot this fall, and his maneuvering
appeared designed in part to shelter them from difficult votes.

But when Lott returned to the floor, it was Daschle's turn to use
the Senate rule book to his advantage. He forced a series of
time-consuming votes that made clear he could tie up proceedings
for hours, even days at a time, when Republicans must work on
must-pass spending measures.

Finally, Lott produced a rival Republican proposal, and agreed to
permit votes on Wednesday.

The GOP measure, also non-binding, includes no mention of the
Million Mom March or gun control. Instead, it says the "Clinton
administration has failed to protect law-abiding citizens by
inadequately enforcing federal firearms laws."

It also calls for passage of a "comprehensive approach to juvenile
crime" including better enforcement, upgrading the national instant
criminal background checks and providing grants to states to
impose mandatory sentences.

For his part, Daschle also told reporters that 12 children a day die
to gun violence. "We will begin reading their names on a daily
basis for the Senate (and) to the extent possible we will tell some
of their stories," he promised.

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I can't wait for them to read 12 children's name a day into the Senate record. Let them tell the stories too. This will expose this lie once and for all.

I can hear Durbin or Shumer reading the sad story of a 17 year old gangbanger killed in a crack deal gone bad all because of an evil gun.

Jeff
 
JW:

You know how they are. Lie, lie, lie. Thats how you win these days. Just look at there President?

"I did not have sex with miss lewinsky". Can look straight into the lens of a camera and literally lie to the whole world.

The fight is on. I just wonder how long the "republicans" will stand up for our rights before their legs buckle under the Leftists pressure?

Man, this is going to be a long, looooong, hot summer.

MH.
 
Gun owners face mandatory
fingerprinting, photos, testing
By Matthew Mittan

Democrat Sen. Dianne Feinstein has introduced a bill that would require that
all legal gun owners in America be licensed, fingerprinted, tested,
photographed and forced to sign safety contracts with the federal
government.

"When you want to hunt, you get a hunting license;
when you want to drive, you get a driver's license,"
Feinstein said. But, "when it comes to guns and gun
owners, there's no license and no registration. ... The
time has come to treat gun owners no differently than
anyone who seeks to drive a car." Accompanying
Feinstein at her Capitol Hill news conference were
other gun-owner-control advocates.

Under the new law, if it is passed, all law abiding American citizens who wish
to purchase a new firearm would have to pass a federal firearms use test,
submit to fingerprinting and photographing by the federal government, pass
Justice

(Pictured above) The U. S. Border Patrol already employs a system,
to log information on people, that uses digitized fingerprints and
photographs. The information is stored in a government computer
database which is available to federal agents and law enforcement
officials. The government may enlist the help of this same technology
to build files on law abiding Americans who own guns, if a new bill
before Congress is adopted. (Photo by Denis Poroy.)


Department and State background checks, provide information as to date
and place of birth and their current residential address, sign contracts to
"keep the guns away from children" and pay a $25 license fee. Licenses
would need to be renewed every five years, and would be revoked at any
time if the gun owner ever became disqualified under any new or old federal
law regarding gun possession.

Current gun owners would have 10 years to become federally licensed or
face consequences, possibly from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and
Firearms (ATF), the agency responsible for the debacle at Waco, TX where
dozens of men, women and children died and also for the incident at Ruby
Ridge. New gun purchases would be effected immediately.

The legislation, called The Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act, is the
latest and most aggressive gun-owner-control measure to be authored by
Feinstein, who in 1994 won passage of a ban on numerous manufactured
gun features. In the Republican-controlled Congress, where centrist and rural
Democrats share a skepticism about imposing too many additional gun
restrictions, its short-term fate can be judged by examining other gun
legislation.

A measure targeting gun-show sales has been stalled for 10 months.

"Anybody who understands the political situation in this country knows this
bill isn't going to go anywhere," National Rifle Association spokesman Jim
Manown said. "The only thing it will accomplish is get Senator Feinstein
publicity."

Feinstein is campaigning for re-election against Rep. Tom Campbell of Palo
Alto, a moderate Republican who's strongly supported gun-control measures
in the past. Campbell, however, has raised doubts about the new bill,
including privacy concerns over the maintenance of a permanent
gun-ownership list and constitutional concerns over the law's reach.

More than 65 million U.S. residents currently own about 230 million
firearms, according to National Rifle Association estimates. Feinstein's
measure would not only apply to handgun owners, but to rifle owners also.

As an incitement to debate, Feinstein's legislation raises several questions.
Gun aficionados will want to know whether mandatory registration violates
the Second Amendment's stricture against government infringement on the
right to bear arms.

"The Constitution reads, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms
shall not be infringed." A synonym for infringed is encroach. Encroach is
defined by Webster's New World College Dictionary as "in a gradual or
sneaky way"; "to advance beyond the proper, original, or customary limits;
make inroads on or upon."

Manown of the NRA said the thrust of opposition will be elsewhere. More
pragmatically, gun-owning skeptics question how well the ATF will be able
to administer what could be a large-scale registration program.

"I'd venture that the only people standing in line to get their fingerprints taken
will be law-abiding citizens," Manown said.

Under the 1934 National Firearms Act, the government already registers
owners of machine guns, silencers, sawed-off shotguns and certain other
firearms that lawmakers once deemed as gangster-friendly.

Feinstein's is not the first effort to require widespread documenting and list
compiling of gun owners.

New York City started requiring the registration of rifle and shotgun owners
in 1967. Then in 1991, the city banned certain shotguns and rifles that had
always been legal, and notified the effected 2,340 licensed citizens that they
had to surrender or render inoperable their guns to government authorities.

The Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act, is cosponsored by Senators
Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and Charles Schumer
(D-N.Y.). Rep. Marty Meehan, (D-Mass) is introducing the same bill in the
House of Representatives. Supporters of the new legislation include Donna
Dees-Thomases, founder of the "Million Mom March"; Charles Ramsey,
Washington, District of Columbia Chief of Police; and Michael Barnes,
President of Handgun Control, Inc..

Contact information:
Sen Dianne Feinstein - 202-224-3841
NC Senators:
John Edwards - 919-856-4245 and 202-224-3154
Jesse Helms - 828-322-5170 and 202-224-6342
Tribune comments: 828-254-1106 or tribune@ioa.com


(For further examples of widespread gun-owner-control measures accomplished in
the past visit http://www.ashevilletribune.com/guncontrol.htm.)

Michael Doyle’s report from Scripps-McClatchy Western Service contributed to this
article.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by westex:
Senate shut down! :eek: Any way we can make this a permament thing?

RKBA!
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Bill's workin on it.
 
If our country was as it should be. These senators would be tried and hung for treason for even introducing a bill such as this.



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
Sam Adams and Patrick Henry would be ashamed of us, in my opinion. When their rights were abused like this, they made it plain what would happen if it did not stop. A better way to put it:

Don't try to deny us our basic civil rights, and we won't shoot you.

That's where it's headed, and they can't even see it.
 
Hey all, I know we joke about this thread but NOW is the time to be hammering your Representatives about this issue.

Please call now. TOLL FREE 1-888-449-3511

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now joing the GOA!

[This message has been edited by CMOS (edited May 17, 2000).]
 
Watch it on this one. It could be the red herring, the extreme measure that everyone works to defeat, only to find that the gun show bill and the trigger lock bill slipped through unnoticed.

But, I'll call anyway.

Dick
 
PaulB, exactly. If they're deadlocked, they're not doing any harm. Kinda like a car with a blown engine sitting in the garage while the drunkard in the (White) house sits and fumes about not being able to drive it. ;)
 
Specialist: You mean like in Switzerland? Full Auto, silencers, almost
any gun (except single-shot rifles and some bolt-actions), semi-auto,
handguns, pump guns, lever actions with a
permit?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bookkie:
If our country was as it should be. These senators would be tried and hung for treason for even introducing a bill such as this.


[/quote]

It's about time I actually heard (or read) the "T" word - whatever happened to the inauguration swearing-in PRESERVE AND PROTECT
oath? Look higher, Bookkie - look higher.

AB
 
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