Sen. Specter going to sue President Bush

rick_reno

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Isn't there a mechanism in place to throw traitors like Specter out of the Republican party? I can't believe this, a "Republican" Senator attacking our greatest Republican President in a time of war and just before a crucial election. It's treason.

WASHINGTON - A powerful Republican committee chairman who has led the fight against President Bush’s signing statements said Monday he would have a bill ready by the end of the week allowing Congress to sue him in federal court.

“We will submit legislation to the United States Senate which will...authorize the Congress to undertake judicial review of those signing statements with the view to having the president’s acts declared unconstitutional,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said on the Senate floor.

Specter’s announcement came the same day that an American Bar Association task force concluded that by attaching conditions to legislation, the president has sidestepped his constitutional duty to either sign a bill, veto it, or take no action.

Practice 'harming the separation of powers'
Bush has issued at least 750 signing statements during his presidency, reserving the right to revise, interpret or disregard laws on national security and constitutional grounds.

“That non-veto hamstrings Congress because Congress cannot respond to a signing statement,” said ABA president Michael Greco. The practice, he added “is harming the separation of powers.”

Bush has challenged about 750 statutes passed by Congress, according to numbers compiled by Specter’s committee. The ABA estimated Bush has issued signing statements on more than 800 statutes, more than all other presidents combined.

Signing statements have been used by presidents, typically for such purposes as instructing agencies how to execute new laws.

But many of Bush’s signing statements serve notice that he believes parts of bills he is signing are unconstitutional or might violate national security.

White House defends practice
Still, the White House said signing statements are not intended to allow the administration to ignore the law.

“A great many of those signing statements may have little statements about questions about constitutionality,” said White House spokesman Tony Snow. “It never says, ’We’re not going to enact the law.”’

Specter’s announcement intensifies his challenge of the administration’s use of executive power on a number of policy matters. Of particular interest to him are two signing statements challenging the provisions of the USA Patriot Act renewal, which he wrote, and legislation banning the use of torture on detainees.

Bush is not without congressional allies on the matter. Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, a former judge, has said that signing statements are nothing more than expressions of presidential opinion that carry no legal weight because federal courts are unlikely to consider them when deciding cases that challenge the same laws.
 
What Specter is doing is not treason,it's called protecting the Constitution from a TYRANT and his Fascist thug criminal associates.:mad:
 
Actually, I think, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Specter is not a traitor and Bush is not a tyrant.

Bush's signing statements, though not the first, propagate and expand a dangerous principle. Specter is simply using the concept of Balance of Power to involve the (Republican Controlled) Congress to review this trend and IF that (Republican Controlled) Congress is as uncomfortable with it as many others, the Third Branch of government should weigh in. This is Specter's job as Chair of the Judiciary Committee.

Repeatedly issuing statements that Congressionally approved bills which you have put your signature to can be disregarded at any time, is not a minor Constitutional issue in a Republic....regardless of the fact that "they all did it" (actually only the three POTUS's before Bush used the practice for policy reason).

Specter is simply asking for an open public debate. That is a good thing.

As for us "being at War"....we've been at "War" continuously since the 60's. Perpetual warfare is not a reason to discard the Constitution.....nor a reason to muzzle public debate of potentially dangerous POTUS practices. If Specter prevails and Hillary is later elected President, Specter will suddely be a hero in the eyes of those who currently see him as a traitor. Good on him for standing up now before it's too late!
Rich
 
Pre. Bush lost my confidence a while back...How can I trust his judgement when he so fiercely defends his 'Iraq War..War on Terror'..yet so obviously tries to shrug off our border problem and vulnerability'...sadly, I must conclude he is in the pocket of America Inc..and the globalists...I wanted to trust and like both him and his father and they both failed miserably(using their political power) in keeping America a distinct and separate nation of high achievement it has been known for...both of them and Willie grade a big red F...a trust broken is a bitter pill to swallow...still looking for a true American president with conservative ideals and values...I regret not having a much better choice in the last election..
 
If you didn't like the choices in the last election - the next one should really impress you. Early reports are it'll be that beacon of freedom Giuliani vs. Hillary. Bring extra air sickness bags when voting, you'll need them.
 
Actually, I think, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Specter is not a traitor and Bush is not a tyrant.

Well said. I for one am getting sick of both the "It is Treason to Doubt Bush" crowd as well as the "Bush is killing US troops to help Cheney and Haliburton" crowd. Both groups are are sounding more and more like the fringe lunatics they are and the rest of us better keep that in mind.

For those who keep thinking Hillary is going to run against Gulliani; you need to brush up on your NY State law.

Per NY law Hillary would have to RESIGN her US Senate seat to run for president. If she looses she does NOT get it back. Do any of you think she would give up the power of a Senate Seat unless she had a 85% or greater belief she would win the Presidency? Her running would be the greatest unifying factor the Republicans could hope for and he refusal to condem the war in Iraq will cost her turnout from her base. THe worst thing the Republicans could do is run Gulliani, who would prevent the Republican base from showing up. In NY State the two running against each other is one thing but nationally it is another matter entirely.
 
Musketeer said:
Per NY law Hillary would have to RESIGN her US Senate seat to run for president.

She wouldn't be the first person to do this. As sad as it is for me to imagine Hillary Clinton in the White House as President, I think she has enough support to put her there. Also, not only does New York law not regulate United States Senate positions, but Hillary would not have to step down to run for President. She would merely need to step down if she won the Presidency, before officially accepting the position. Many, many U.S. Senators have run for President, lost, and returned to their seat in the Senate.
 
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