They'll be voting on Senate Bill 16 at 1pm today! Call somebody if you can!
Semi-Autos to be Banned in Illinois
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JuanCarlos
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Am I misreading the text of the amendment? This looks like a ban on "assault weapons," (using what appear to be the "usual" definitions) not a ban on semi-autos in general.
Still something worth making a call over, and not something I'd enjoy seeing passed (even though I don't live in Illinois)...just think the thread title is misleading.
Still something worth making a call over, and not something I'd enjoy seeing passed (even though I don't live in Illinois)...just think the thread title is misleading.
Harry Callahan
New member
So I can kiss my HBAR goodbye? Doesn't sound right but somehow I expected this in the "Land of Lincoln". What happens with a ban? You can keep your presently owned AWs but have to register them?
JuanCarlos
New member
Based on how I'm reading the amendment, yes you will be able to keep existing weapons with registration.
Here's the entire alert from the ISRA:
URGENT GUN RIGHTS ALERT – IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED
The Illinois Senate is about to debate a ban on semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.
If passed, you would have 90 days to register your guns with the State Police or face arrest and felony prosecution.
If you were caught with an AR-15 and 4 magazines, you’d get life in prison.
THREE THINGS YOU MUST DO TO SAVE YOUR GUN RIGHTS
1. Beginning on Tuesday, March 6th, call your State Senator and POLITELY tell him or her that you are opposed to Senate Bill 16 – the Daley Assault Weapons Ban – and that you would like them to vote against Senate Bill 16 when it comes to the floor. If you do not know who your State Senator is, then visit the following web site: www.ilga.gov and then click on the “Legislator Lookup” link in the lower right hand corner of the home page. Follow the instructions at that link.
2. Pass this alert along to all your gun-owing friends; tell them to call their State Senators also.
3. Please post this alert to any and all Internet Bulleting Boards and Internet sites to which you belong.
IF YOU DO NOT ACT NOW, YOU MAY HAVE NO GUNS LEFT BY THE 4TH OF JULY
URGENT GUN RIGHTS ALERT – IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED
The Illinois Senate is about to debate a ban on semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.
If passed, you would have 90 days to register your guns with the State Police or face arrest and felony prosecution.
If you were caught with an AR-15 and 4 magazines, you’d get life in prison.
THREE THINGS YOU MUST DO TO SAVE YOUR GUN RIGHTS
1. Beginning on Tuesday, March 6th, call your State Senator and POLITELY tell him or her that you are opposed to Senate Bill 16 – the Daley Assault Weapons Ban – and that you would like them to vote against Senate Bill 16 when it comes to the floor. If you do not know who your State Senator is, then visit the following web site: www.ilga.gov and then click on the “Legislator Lookup” link in the lower right hand corner of the home page. Follow the instructions at that link.
2. Pass this alert along to all your gun-owing friends; tell them to call their State Senators also.
3. Please post this alert to any and all Internet Bulleting Boards and Internet sites to which you belong.
IF YOU DO NOT ACT NOW, YOU MAY HAVE NO GUNS LEFT BY THE 4TH OF JULY
JuanCarlos
New member
I don't get this. Existing weapons are grandfathered, and only "assault weapons" (yes, I hate the term) are banned.
So why would you have no guns left by the fourth of July? Or is this just the standard knee-jerk scaremongering?
they are already banned in chicago regardless of 4th of the july.
all they have to do is push more at the state level
its not knee jerk scaremongering at all its a serious threat
guns are banned in Washington D.C. too.
Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government --and a few outlaws.
change the guard all you want with elections. wont get change till the corruptors and elected coruptees see some danger of of serious imprisonment loss of limb or total loss,life and that of those they cherish and belongings taken or totaled. government should fear the people not other way around. we need new amendments to the constitution on restrictions of companies and corporations. often used saying follow the money.
just walk into a major business or school and see how many rules are posted that go against the grain of the constitution.
all they have to do is push more at the state level
its not knee jerk scaremongering at all its a serious threat
guns are banned in Washington D.C. too.
Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government --and a few outlaws.
change the guard all you want with elections. wont get change till the corruptors and elected coruptees see some danger of of serious imprisonment loss of limb or total loss,life and that of those they cherish and belongings taken or totaled. government should fear the people not other way around. we need new amendments to the constitution on restrictions of companies and corporations. often used saying follow the money.
just walk into a major business or school and see how many rules are posted that go against the grain of the constitution.
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Hunter Rose
New member
Anyone in IL in need of safe out-of-state storage, feel free to PM me: I'll even buy an extra safe to keep 'em seperate from mine (this is an actual offer, BTW)...
Jedi-Jurist
Inactive
Anyone going to IGOLD?
Is anyone from the North Shore area planning on going to the Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day? www.igold.isra.org. If so, I've got room for one in my car. I'll be driving down in the morning and returning in the evening. PM me if you're interested (I'm in Glenview). This is our chance to lobby against SB 16 and for CCW.
Is anyone from the North Shore area planning on going to the Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day? www.igold.isra.org. If so, I've got room for one in my car. I'll be driving down in the morning and returning in the evening. PM me if you're interested (I'm in Glenview). This is our chance to lobby against SB 16 and for CCW.
Jedi-Jurist
Inactive
It unfortunately passed out of committee:
URGENT ALERT – ILLINOIS ONE STEP CLOSER TO GUN BAN
Freedom-loving Illinois citizens were dealt a serious blow today when Senate Bill 16 – the Daley plan to ban and confiscate your semiautomatic rifles and shotguns – passed out of the Senate Public Health Committee. The bill now goes to the full Senate for what promises to be a furious floor fight.
YOUR IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE IS NEEDED IN THE BATTLE TO SAVE YOUR GUNS – PLEASE DO EACH OF THE FOLLOWING THINGS:
1. Call Senate President Emil Jones’ office at (217) 782-2728 and tell the person that answers that you are a law-abiding gun owner and you do not appreciate Senator Jones treating you like a criminal. (Jones is the original sponsor of SB16).
2. Call your State Senator and POLITELY tell him or her that you oppose SB16 and you would like them to vote against SB16 when it reaches the senate floor. If you do not know who your senator is, then call (217) 782-2000 and ask the switchboard to connect you with your senator. Or go on the Internet to: www.ilga.gov and use the “Legislator Lookup” feature in the lower right hand corner to identify your senator and get their phone number.
3. Call State Senator Antonio Munoz, the sponsor of SB16’s most recent amendment, at: (217) 782-9415 and tell the person who answers that you are a law-abiding gun owner and that you do not appreciate Senator Munoz treating you like a criminal. Then call Munoz’s district office at (773) 869-9050 and tell the person there the same thing.
4. In a tactic as bad as the Soviet Union, Committee Chairman Susan Garrett denied gun owners the opportunity to testify against SB16 in senate hearings on the bill today. In effect, YOUR VOICE WAS SILENCED by Sen. Garrett. Of course, Daley’s Gun Grabbers were allowed to testify. So, it is important that you call Sen. Garrett’s office at (217) 782-3650, and remind the person who answers the phone that this is still the United States of America and that you are angry that Sen. Garrett denied your fellow citizens the right to be heard. Also, call Garrett’s district office at (847) 433-2002 and tell the person there the same thing.
5. Pass this alert along to all your gun owning friends. Tell them to make the same phone calls.
6. Post this alert to any and all Internet bulletin boards to which you belong.
7. If you are not a member of the ISRA, or you have gun owning friends who are not members of the ISRA, then go to www.isra.org and join today.
THIS MAY BE YOUR LAST CHANCE TO SAVE YOUR GUNS
URGENT ALERT – ILLINOIS ONE STEP CLOSER TO GUN BAN
Freedom-loving Illinois citizens were dealt a serious blow today when Senate Bill 16 – the Daley plan to ban and confiscate your semiautomatic rifles and shotguns – passed out of the Senate Public Health Committee. The bill now goes to the full Senate for what promises to be a furious floor fight.
YOUR IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE IS NEEDED IN THE BATTLE TO SAVE YOUR GUNS – PLEASE DO EACH OF THE FOLLOWING THINGS:
1. Call Senate President Emil Jones’ office at (217) 782-2728 and tell the person that answers that you are a law-abiding gun owner and you do not appreciate Senator Jones treating you like a criminal. (Jones is the original sponsor of SB16).
2. Call your State Senator and POLITELY tell him or her that you oppose SB16 and you would like them to vote against SB16 when it reaches the senate floor. If you do not know who your senator is, then call (217) 782-2000 and ask the switchboard to connect you with your senator. Or go on the Internet to: www.ilga.gov and use the “Legislator Lookup” feature in the lower right hand corner to identify your senator and get their phone number.
3. Call State Senator Antonio Munoz, the sponsor of SB16’s most recent amendment, at: (217) 782-9415 and tell the person who answers that you are a law-abiding gun owner and that you do not appreciate Senator Munoz treating you like a criminal. Then call Munoz’s district office at (773) 869-9050 and tell the person there the same thing.
4. In a tactic as bad as the Soviet Union, Committee Chairman Susan Garrett denied gun owners the opportunity to testify against SB16 in senate hearings on the bill today. In effect, YOUR VOICE WAS SILENCED by Sen. Garrett. Of course, Daley’s Gun Grabbers were allowed to testify. So, it is important that you call Sen. Garrett’s office at (217) 782-3650, and remind the person who answers the phone that this is still the United States of America and that you are angry that Sen. Garrett denied your fellow citizens the right to be heard. Also, call Garrett’s district office at (847) 433-2002 and tell the person there the same thing.
5. Pass this alert along to all your gun owning friends. Tell them to make the same phone calls.
6. Post this alert to any and all Internet bulletin boards to which you belong.
7. If you are not a member of the ISRA, or you have gun owning friends who are not members of the ISRA, then go to www.isra.org and join today.
THIS MAY BE YOUR LAST CHANCE TO SAVE YOUR GUNS
JuanCarlos
New member
I'm still not seeing where the confiscation comes in. Currently owned weapons are grandfathered in. I suppose proving ownership might be a hurdle (some people don't keep receipts), but this still seems like it's stretching the truth just a bit.
cosmolinelover
New member
Juan Carlos what don't you get? Its plain as day what they're trying to do?!
Is it just me or does Juan Carlos sound an awful lot like Zumbo's new pen name?
Is it just me or does Juan Carlos sound an awful lot like Zumbo's new pen name?
JuanCarlos
New member
Oh, I'd not be surprised if confiscation was an end goal. However, the bill in question does not allow for it assuming you can provide proof of ownership prior to the ban. This does not mean I somehow favor this ban, and everybody who lives in Illinois really ought to give their reps a call to make sure it doesn't head further down the road to Californication.
However, if when talking to your representative you mention this whole "confiscation" thing they'll know that it does not, in fact, allow for the confiscation of currently owned weapons and that you obviously don't know what the heck you're talking about. At which point they may or may not lend less weight to your concerns. That is the issue.
Is there some reason the ISRA feels the need to stretch the truth and misinform its members? Is this law not bad enough as it is?
Ammo Junky
New member
Way to nit pick the insignificant and miss the monumental, JuanCarlos 
Oh no, juan, I am not cutting off your head, I am just removing all the flesh from around your cervical spine. Your head is still attched. Quit your lying.
When the demoncrats have thier hands on the throat of your life and freedom, I hope somone is there to rub salt in your freedom loosing wonds.
Oh no, juan, I am not cutting off your head, I am just removing all the flesh from around your cervical spine. Your head is still attched. Quit your lying.
When the demoncrats have thier hands on the throat of your life and freedom, I hope somone is there to rub salt in your freedom loosing wonds.
JuanCarlos
New member
If the (non-existant) confiscation aspect is so insignificant, why is it mentioned repeatedly in all capital letters on the ISRA website?
Seems like they think it's significant enough, at least when used to drum up fear. The problem being that it's not necessarily true. And when you call your representative spouting off some BS you read on a pro-gun website that isn't true, it give the impression you are just some poorly-educated hick who doesn't know what he's talking about...a generalization about gun owners that I'd rather not see people provide more evidence for.
Did I not say you guys should call? Did I not say that this law needed to be stopped? Hold on:
Oh look, there I am saying just how I feel about this. So spare me your tripe. I've encouraged those living in IL to call, and if I lived there I'd call myself. I just also think it's important that you know what the heck you're talking about when you do, and that's more likely if organizations like the ISRA wouldn't go for the "Bill Clinton Truth Stretching Award."me said:
I noticed that as well as banning the standard 'assault weapons','large capacity feeding devices', and 'fifty caliber rifles' it also bans possession of 50 caliber CARTRIDGES.
So if you have a fifty AND
you register your fifty
it looks to me like you cannot keep or obtain more ammunition.
Registration is provided for 'weapons, devices, or attachments' not cartridges.
Even if you consider a cartridge a device, you're done when you shoot your last 'preban' cartridge.
So if you have a fifty AND
you register your fifty
it looks to me like you cannot keep or obtain more ammunition.
Registration is provided for 'weapons, devices, or attachments' not cartridges.
Even if you consider a cartridge a device, you're done when you shoot your last 'preban' cartridge.
Juan, I can remember when I was a kid growing up in Chicago. In the city, mind you--not the suburbs.
My favorite times included when my father took me to the Loop, to the Marshall Field's Store for Men. On one of the top floors was the Sporting Goods department. I used to walk around there just looking and wishing, at all the fine firearms; I saw Colt Super .38's in the case, as well as sundry other semiautos and revolvers. It was there that a kind clerk let me handle an actual .458 Win Mag cartridge.
Up and down State Street, I remember going into the stores and seeing the goodies. Woolworth's actually had a gunsmith on site--I saw in the rifle racks some really nice custom Weatherby rifles, and one that stuck me as being impossibly long. That was (I now recognize) an 8mm Mauser.
Sears, Roebuck and Co. had to my young eyes the ultimate rifle--an M1 carbine that I wanted badly.
Montgomery Ward's had the complete line of Winchester semiautomatic .22's.
Look at the city now! Look at the suburbs! Look at the STATE!
Individual and personal freedoms are evaporating like a puddle of water on the sidewalk on a mid August day. Firearm ownership is almost a thing of the past in Chicago--and the rest of the State is soon to follow, thanks to The Machine--and you old time Chicagoans know what I'm talking about.
When I was a kid, the mayor was the Honorable Richard Daley. Who's mayor now? The Honorable Richard Daley--his son! Can you say family dynasty?
Sure, we had Jane Byrne for a term, and Harold Washington for less than a term--the first Black mayor of the city, who mysteriously died in his sleep about 3 months after taking office. (Someone correct me on the time frame if I'm wrong, about Mayor Washington.)
Bottom line, Juan--do not think, even for ONE moment, that the government of the City of Chicago will stop at this. They will come for you--if you own ANY type of firearm.
Pump and semiauto shotguns will be classified as Assault Weapons.
Bolt action rifles--or ANY scoped rifle will be classed as Sniper Weapons.
Semiautomatic pistols will be called Assault Pistols, and therefore eeevil.
Any firearms left over from this go-round will then be taxed heavily, and will be so restricted, and so highly taxed that you will not be able to afford it.
The time has come for Illinois voters to stand up and say NO. But, the battle ahead will be a hard one. Chicago leads the State--with over half the entire population living there, anything that passes in Chicago will pass for the whole State.
Use your best and most powerful weapon--the vote!
My favorite times included when my father took me to the Loop, to the Marshall Field's Store for Men. On one of the top floors was the Sporting Goods department. I used to walk around there just looking and wishing, at all the fine firearms; I saw Colt Super .38's in the case, as well as sundry other semiautos and revolvers. It was there that a kind clerk let me handle an actual .458 Win Mag cartridge.
Up and down State Street, I remember going into the stores and seeing the goodies. Woolworth's actually had a gunsmith on site--I saw in the rifle racks some really nice custom Weatherby rifles, and one that stuck me as being impossibly long. That was (I now recognize) an 8mm Mauser.
Sears, Roebuck and Co. had to my young eyes the ultimate rifle--an M1 carbine that I wanted badly.
Montgomery Ward's had the complete line of Winchester semiautomatic .22's.
Look at the city now! Look at the suburbs! Look at the STATE!
Individual and personal freedoms are evaporating like a puddle of water on the sidewalk on a mid August day. Firearm ownership is almost a thing of the past in Chicago--and the rest of the State is soon to follow, thanks to The Machine--and you old time Chicagoans know what I'm talking about.
When I was a kid, the mayor was the Honorable Richard Daley. Who's mayor now? The Honorable Richard Daley--his son! Can you say family dynasty?
Sure, we had Jane Byrne for a term, and Harold Washington for less than a term--the first Black mayor of the city, who mysteriously died in his sleep about 3 months after taking office. (Someone correct me on the time frame if I'm wrong, about Mayor Washington.)
Bottom line, Juan--do not think, even for ONE moment, that the government of the City of Chicago will stop at this. They will come for you--if you own ANY type of firearm.
Pump and semiauto shotguns will be classified as Assault Weapons.
Bolt action rifles--or ANY scoped rifle will be classed as Sniper Weapons.
Semiautomatic pistols will be called Assault Pistols, and therefore eeevil.
Any firearms left over from this go-round will then be taxed heavily, and will be so restricted, and so highly taxed that you will not be able to afford it.
The time has come for Illinois voters to stand up and say NO. But, the battle ahead will be a hard one. Chicago leads the State--with over half the entire population living there, anything that passes in Chicago will pass for the whole State.
Use your best and most powerful weapon--the vote!