Semi-automatic accuracy?

hgruther

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I just recently purchased a CMMG .308 put my leupold mark IV 8.5-25 on it and wen to the range...i sighted the gun in by sliding the bullet into the chamber myself then manually closing the action...when i did this i could shoot through the same hole at 100 yds...when i put three in the clip and let the gun do the chambering my shots were spread apart by up to 2in...what could this be? what can i do to correct this problem?

thanks
 
Quoted from other posts in diff forums regarding bolt action vs. semi-auto. Not my own words but some things to consider that may be a possibility.

"It's mostly about repeatability of the firing cycle. A bolt rifle has less moving parts and therefore it is easier to repeat the exact same firing sequence each time.A semi-auto goes through several different motions each time it is fired and each moving part may or may not repeat exactly the same every time."

"also every time a new round is stripped from the mag, small even microscopic grooves, are cut and chattered into the next round down in the mag, from the bolt head and round taken from above, then it goes into the chamber, which if it doens't go in right down the middle, can get little imperfections again, this time on the bullet itself. they may be tiny, but these little imperfections, will cause differing aerodynamics on each successive bullet."
"would the imperfections really be a problem when the bullet enganges the rifling? even then most bolt rifles have magazines to.?"
"Nope. because the curved areas of the bullets especially the tip, and near it, don't engage the rifleing.any little deviation up there is going to effect the trajectory. Imagine if you will , throwing a baseball and a little flap of the cover is not threaded down. Or throwing a football, and the front of the ball, towards the nose , has some of the lacing coming loose. Every bit of this, no matter how small, will change it's trajectory."

"One more factor that has also been pointed out is what happens to the bullet itself during chambering. Manual bolt actions are not nearly as violent in feeding, which means less bullet deformation. A closer-to-perfect bullet means better accuracy. This is why single shot bolt guns tend to be even better-no feed ramp to marr the bullet or distort the case."

With that in mind maybe try different possibly higher quality magazines? Dunno but just maybe it will help some.
 
Also with the possible damage to the bullet and casing, could it have been you? What I mean is, the act of self loading the first few cartridges gives you a chance to pause and get a calmer mindset, step back and realign yourself. I've noticed my shots are a bit better when I single load cartridges in my bolt action vs using the magazine because it gives me a chance to remount and resettle and I take more time, as opposed to racking the bolt and firing another round.
 
Witm semiautomatic pistols I have seen references to the "First Round Flyer", I have seen various conjectures as to what causes this, this cure is invariably to chamber the first round manually and with a gentle touch.
 
As much As I love my m1a scout, it has somewhat of the same problem.

The "first round flyer" that is.

I just load 6 now, shoot a 5 round group, and then load 5 more. This way only my first round of the day is loaded by hand.
 
Not all .308 ammo is military crimped. Handloaded they work fine, auto loaded the bullet strikes the edges of the chamber which can set it back slightly. At that point the varied compression and changes in OAL mean each is a different load, which increases the dispersion of the group.

Consistent ammo means exactly the same round in the chamber at the point of firing, and if the bullet is getting varied leades from ogive to rifling, it ain't.
 
That had to be difficult without a forward assist.
I do this with my AR15 without a forward assist while hunting so that it doesn't scare every animal from home to timbuctoo by letting the bolt slam home. it just takes a certain method to the madness. never had the issue described though.

one theory, though it's not that solid, is that a first round flyer is most often caused by a cold barrel vs hot barrel. by manually loading each round you are probably allowing more time for the barrel to cool. while shooting from a mag is allowing quicker followup shots, causing your barrel to get hotter and moving point of impact, causing the wider groups. have you noticed the groups moving in a particular direction as you shoot from the mag?
 
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